From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 7 8:31:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A36337B401; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay.omnis.com (smtp-relay.omnis.com [216.239.128.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805D643F3F; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from salty.rapid.stbernard.com (corp-2.ipinc.com [199.245.188.2]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C013143885; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr.com To: kalts@estpak.ee Subject: Re: "leak" in softupdates? Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:31:46 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , David Schultz , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030305204526.T38115@hub.org> <200303070648.26984.wes@softweyr.com> <20030307160147.GA3422@kevad.internal> In-Reply-To: <20030307160147.GA3422@kevad.internal> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303070831.46495.wes@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday 07 March 2003 08:01, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:48:26AM -0800, Wes Peters > > wrote: > > > > putting real challenge to VM. All this means that FreeBSD > > > > isn't ready to enterprise yet, no matter what advocacy has to > > > > say. I'm glad Marc hasn't gave up and every now-and-then sends > > > > the findings out to lists, for the benefit of others, > > > > particularly developers. One word about "enterprise"; I'm sure > > > > Yahoo and similar big players run also FreeBSD on "big boxes", > > > > but they have real engineers in the field and have customised > > > > installations, I guess. Off-the-shelf FreeBSD isn't ready yet. > > > > Off-the-shelf FreeBSD is about as good as most commercial UNIX > > systems; you seem to have either overestimated their ability to > > handle loads that are absurd for the hardware or have had a much > > better experience than I have. > > It's more like I have too high expectations for FreeBSD, probably. > You are right I guess, but all this talk about system auto-tuning > for high capacity systems has not progressed to reality, as far as I > know. The talk comes up occasionally and after some discussion about > the benefits of such auto-tuning, dies off. Lack of manpower I > guess, so I shut up. But that's the point why I made the > "enterprise" comment. A lot depends on the size of the "enterprise" as well. I'm once again building embedded FreeBSD systems, but the tuning requirements on this one are wildly different from the last one. Here we're spec'ing the next generation of our hardware, which will probably be PIII embedded for longevity and pushing the vendors to make sure they'll support all the way up to the 1.26 GHz clock, though we'll probably ship about 800 MHz to start. Most of these systems are based on the Intel reference design and have only one DIMM slot, so we get 256M or 512M SDRAM. At my last gig, we were pushing P4s at 2.4 GHz to their limits and looking into PAE so we could cram 16GB RAM onto the board. (They ended up moving to Linux for the PAE support, which turned out to not really get them what they needed, but it's no longer my problem. ;^) One of these may seem more enterprise-y to you, but both are "bet the company" hardware decisions for the respective companies, and designed to be installed in the customers enterprise data center -- just different sized customers. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message