From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 18 01:25:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B91BA6 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from georgreilinger@yahoo.de) Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B3C1AB for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.122] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 803450.63338.bm@omp1031.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57633 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1358472303; bh=qr6R+MiwyFL4SO9pVzmUfe5VVfeURRuubT09cwW6S9M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qH8vdcIuNgfrBMi01hXK5fxz2vpTiW74jfcB445/1BY9bUXMkNVsBr7Vxwbm80Ppxl9vyYKMPgqGjSIy3I07Voa2Shi7gOTeLnrbd4fNhcYhrCqtDzWEIKoq/BVjoXpxvQ2nuuFO44Eg0djTAcDISQxhCbl0ZO2txM0N4Wi+LGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MPe5bW2yxyRrJfkcobES87/0ZYy1uz6L0bClKHwId/hlKzJ0I999DmV6Z3yK8o1MO/SdpVucGZooizZXRvHy+P6Fv/xZFYuLs57EvrZ2hWjBQv8XpLEVw2N+Y+ojh3V305T9eKOwCUPuyURBH9/IFXZItGmJDQwzVmgTZfl1H2c=; X-YMail-OSG: xnavCfoVM1kR5ccG1CpWGudblXaOrLMyx_ss962I1pE1ff8 VsKUggh1Gxk12A_3OeqTtIsl.rrHN2nnTuoecCnjDJ.hJhUcjJlhCayNJamM QG0pA5gUmAe4FXDkFI8CL7jxRO7aNB_okzrNAHACVn2zTgbLEAOMGtYnY2O1 0.pJ9nLBEPBRvHglQK8zUsxy_7MnJ44vlGRYA0osXUCV9ZBhCqqKVGUw.GiT sRlyRDyr91SSzpq3Wsbv8BJtUYvBrXjKp8LSPXCgTcYgn42lr3gSzQrSW1hq Rxnhtr.oh87_qh8meyl1lDbQXF6rlVjUOhSxKdHSLJL7ySEJMBROVnXzz2C1 Tvexu.x86JWdXenVulPCGkx8upCb_tglMvXja.UCl0qPjzCnp5eiGAqQd_4i x4nhRyg9LIBvwVFbpfEqCwOEGbxdfz0lVAtywGu.BmY6_iZFSVwv7xNeSCqO 1aIBVb4RvEgdaoG9aXRSb41qtysypuhd25wcGQwW49cqgNAuaaYDPUnZ0rif GJ4F7HrQ9Sr786ETVbw-- Received: from [217.251.139.44] by web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001, SGkgZXZlcnlib2R5LAoKCk15IGlzc3VlIGlzIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmc6CgpBcyBmYXIgYXMgSSBrbm93LCBGcmVlQlNEIGhhcyBjb21wbGV0ZWx5IGRyb3BwZWQgc3VwcG9ydCBmb3IgS0RFIDMuNS4gCgpXaGV0aGVyIGl0J3MgdGhlIHBvcnRzLCBvciB0aGUgcGtnX2FkZCBwcmVjb21waWxlZCBiaW5hcmllcy4gQW0gSSByaWdodCBpbiAKCmFzc3VtaW5nIHRoaXM_CgoKSSBhbSBjdXJyZW50bHkgcnVubmluZyBhIGxpdmUgdmVyc2lvbiBvZiBGcmVlQlNEIDguMiB3aXRoIEtERSA0LjguIFRoZSB0aGluZyAKCmgBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358472303.40523.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Georg Reilinger Subject: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Georg Reilinger List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:06 -0000 Hi everybody,=0A=0A=0AMy issue is the following:=0A=0AAs far as I know, Fre= eBSD has completely dropped support for KDE 3.5. =0A=0AWhether it's the por= ts, or the pkg_add precompiled binaries. Am I right in =0A=0Aassuming this?= =0A=0A=0AI am currently running a live version of FreeBSD 8.2 with KDE 4.8.= The thing =0A=0Ahere is, that KDE 4 is simply too heavy for my system. For= example: it is =0A=0Aimpossible for me to have two open shells at the same= time. Once I exit a =0A=0Agiven shell, I can't open another one due to a l= ack of resources, even after having =0A=0Aturned off all the extra stuff - = plasma desktop, nepomuk...=0A=0AAs a consequence, I can see myself do two p= ossible things, to have a system =0A=0Arunning with KDE 3.5 once again:=0A= =0A1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the = =0A=0Aprecompiled binaries that are on the DVD donwload version.=0AJudging = by the release announcements, this should be 7.1.=0A=0Ahttp://www.freebsd.o= rg/releases/7.1R/announce.html=0A=0AThis is something that I don't really f= eel like doing.=0A=0A2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would= like to keep it for =0Asome time to come. In other words, is there a way t= o keep 8.2 and still =0Ahave KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone = ever tried to =0Ainstall a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on = an 8.2 system? =0AIs that be possible?=0A=0A=0AAny other solutions?=0A=0A= =0AMany thanks=0AGeorg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 18 01:37:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A194FE14 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4D4238 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 01:37:04 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.163] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 01:37:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp131.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 01:37:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1358473023; bh=Fnt6lNAtbuPlbebR5nZWLj2cVomfg0nMA9W7pweEzAs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:To:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=nFvePqAGiGsoMA2mFFAdmeFqLizIenENXyPZhCOjfsoOEPQwRGadMa0c6OJZ2b4crPOgSqE10clD6WEEKihfjMZPL3ocFWUxPV+DLoL/ri8rnN4BXwWShhnStZO/YdtPUxUkBj+GzCg+rdFenpqJjXiX6SdTwD+eft1RI8l4aTw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 698979.21726.bm@smtp131.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Ni3vS5sVM1mpmdOpkpRTNF7N47VNkXOptzRU_cv223NBYG4 0IgKrNVVvDzdM5CvtGOydMIKudXpSN8odtMLYtm0F1YFZmBFeKQMNEorkBWZ xgJTawM84Kn7gHGenPyCehkee45UWQYz.2lBGCaM96KYEuZdNdRxLDY0Nl9E aTTnnIy_hoe2ysNgqfJnAyL5qhFdGXL.b1.yVl3cjlX8vfJuAOxtRMRhWu64 ASrK0azbEOIET2RcLyvXI9MqIKrzGM6xAvqrFSCZQPz7.PDYb6mTJMD5BxN2 pSOAwFEcWtnFLPTU0EDy.fG92qSAMlGKTBBe5ZrMZZmSWBMUOo55pcM5g0DO _4h4mDydvV.Hpl66X4EbLZeJnCDWAq.J2yvjpR7XdcW381KKji5AhU6KPest NSNR3_c9ZcLP3V9iDjeolvtnGb_E1.XTXz5xy5olmFEWobQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from freebsd (ralf.mardorf@92.224.209.164 with login) by smtp131.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2013 17:37:03 -0800 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD References: <1358472303.40523.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:37:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Ralf Mardorf" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1358472303.40523.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:37:13 -0000 Some decisions from upstream are a PITA. I'm from Linux, it's more up-to-date than FreeBSD. On Linux I switched from KDE 3 to GNOME 2, when KDE 4 was introduced and from GNOME 2 to Xfce, when GNOME 3 was introduced. There are forks of GNOME 2, but I guess there's no fork of KDE 3. Some users claim that it should be possible to set up KDE 4, that it become equal to KDE 3. I doubt that. Another issue are hard dependencies, such as the dependency to the buggy pulseaudio. You better get rid of KDE and start to accustom to another DE. 2 Cents, Ralf