From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 11:03:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC0D3A5F7F for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:03:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20005efba2e.78e03624fb77b0851c89f574d875b9bc@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BGDLS57BDz4G2W for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20005efba2e.78e03624fb77b0851c89f574d875b9bc@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595934209; x=1598526209; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=ECnGXFBYkMqYBmnLiZw/zTgedEctNxxuu2UX/3agAhg=; b=a4ZMY3ATKaD+XgkWurb++SpCOym9IrygWdNl2GYsWiV8pmvc7vC80X4fT13eCsw1kzLamgWQ8/7Z4zX3VxtwRCssQj3kV44ELXr+5gWaVXFDkBystnJqgE40lWTuS95tUZW1M8Wem1m8dlfWRSzheWKnoevfjDtCJT2OuS20LcQ= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDVlZmJhMmUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:03:25 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:03:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k0NOE-000JIr-QB; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:03:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:03:22 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: soyeomul@doraji.xyz (=?UTF-8?B?7Zmp67OR7Z2s?=) Cc: Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200728120322.bb850a6dacdccf496758e620@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BGDLS57BDz4G2W X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=a4ZMY3AT; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c20005efba2e.78e03624fb77b0851c89f574d875b9bc@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c20005efba2e.78e03624fb77b0851c89f574d875b9bc@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20005efba2e.78e03624fb77b0851c89f574d875b9bc@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org, 4250.82.1d4c20005efba2e.78e03624fb77b0851c89f574d875b9bc@email-od.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:03:29 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:10:19 +0900 soyeomul@doraji.xyz (황병희) wrote: > Sorry for late. Currently Linux is good with Wayland. Wayland is future > for *NIX users i think. It looks to be nearly inescapable to have it installed now anyway, this comes from my jail that has nothing deliberately installed but calibre: root@library:~ # pkg info -r wayland wayland-1.18.0_3: libva-2.8.0 mesa-libs-19.0.8_2 root@library:~ # pkg info -r libva libva-2.8.0: ffmpeg-4.3.1,1 root@library:~ # pkg info -r ffmpeg ffmpeg-4.3.1,1: qt5-webengine-5.14.2_1 root@library:~ # pkg info -r qt5-webengine qt5-webengine-5.14.2_1: py37-qt5-webengine-5.12.1_1 root@library:~ # pkg info -r py37-qt5-webengine py37-qt5-webengine-5.12.1_1: calibre-4.19.0 It all sort of makes sense - right up to wondering why mesa-libs and lib-va require wayland rather than the other way round. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith