From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 11 10:57:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1837F16A46C; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BED13C46A; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C18F209C; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:56:56 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04762099; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:56:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D4D22844AF; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:56:55 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Timo Schoeler References: <189878.45301.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20080110171132.GM71709@tuxaco.net> <1199987094.1713.20.camel@localhost> <47866B2A.8070503@elischer.org> <20080110201548.36862edb.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <3a142e750801101134p659f50c8qac731334dab9877d@mail.gmail.com> <20080110215931.f14b78ec.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:56:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080110215931.f14b78ec.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> (Timo Schoeler's message of "Thu\, 10 Jan 2008 21\:59\:31 +0100") Message-ID: <867iigfx54.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Paul B. Mahol" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strace broken in 7.0? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:57:06 -0000 [moved from -current to -chat] Timo Schoeler writes: > Part of the discussion on bsdforen.de was some people complaining that > parts of the base system (as well as [important] ports) do not work, > and are maintained very badly due to 'no interest'. Those people clearly don't understand the FreeBSD development model. This "no interest" bit is completely fundamental. Code gets written by the people who have an interest in it, either because they need it themselves, or because they find it intellectually satisfying, or because someone donated unsupported hardware, or because someone paid them to do it. Earlier in this thread, someone mentioned txp(4) as an example of unmaintained code in the base system. It is a very good example of the above. It was ported from OpenBSD seven years ago by someone who was paid by his employer to do it, and had access to hardware and documentation. I doubt anyone else in the project does, because the hardware it supports is obsolete (it was discontinued five years ago), and was not widely used even when new. > FreeBSD seems to decay from release to release; don't get me wrong, I > *do* like new features, enhances SMP, ZFS, all this stuff, no problem. > *BUT* please don't forget the basis. It wouldn't surprise me if ls(1) > doesn't work when 8.0 is released. You're over-dramatizing; I hope you don't really believe in what you just wrote, because it's completely wrong and unjustified. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no