From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 00:57:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225491065672; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from adsum.doit.wisc.edu (adsum.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82CC8FC1A; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:57:47 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) id <0LOV006006OBYQ00@smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:57:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net ([unknown] [76.210.68.180]) by smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0LOV00MGE6O9SJ10@smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:57:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:57:45 -0500 From: Nathan Whitehorn In-reply-to: To: Adrian Chadd Message-id: <4E2CBF89.7070104@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=76.210.68.180 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-11, Version=5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.7.25.4520, SenderIP=76.210.68.180 References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CB4AC.3070403@orange.fr> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110704 Thunderbird/5.0 Cc: Claude Buisson , freebsd-current Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:57:48 -0000 It does not. I had tried to match the behavior of the 8.x memsticks. It's an easy change in /usr/src/release/ARCH/make-memstick.sh to change it, however. -Nathan On 07/24/11 19:54, Adrian Chadd wrote: > .. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot? > > > > Adrian > > On 25 July 2011 08:11, Claude Buisson wrote: >> On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>> On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: >>>> I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not >>>> payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 >>>> and never really had a problem with understanding the installation >>>> program. There is always a first time, I guess. >>>> >>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201105/ >>>> >>>> When booting I seem to get a screen that makes me remember installer >>>> screens of the 1980s. (They were not exactly intuitive.) >>>> >>>> I somehow got the idea that the new installer was graphic. Maybe >>>> something like PCBsd that is not bad at all. I use it on all our >>>> employees computers. Actually, after seeing this, I would love to >>>> have the old installer back. Is their an option for that? >>>> >>>> Does this new ASCII installer have a "how to" with a bit of >>>> information on the flow of the installation. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>> Can you please describe what you didn't like about it, and what you >>> would prefer be changed? "Reminiscent of the 1980s" is not really >>> helpful, especially given that the new installer in fact looks very much >>> like sysinstall, which you seemed to like. >>> -Nathan >> Recently I installed a system from the "official" memory stick May snapshot >> (FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201105-amd64-memstick.img). here are a few remarks: >> >> - the 1st thing I need to do is to configure the keyboard, as I am not in >> the >> US. This is needed for an install, but also for using it as a live system. >> And >> the keyboard configuration dialog is only a part of the installation >> procedure. >> >> - the partition tool is too simple/rudimentary, compared to the old >> sysinstall >> dialog. I always want to have a total control of the partitions e.g. to have >> a >> proper alignement. So one must use the shell escape or the live system, >> which is >> a regression. >> >> - extracting the tarballs lead to (cryptic) errors: I discovered the hard >> way >> that I needed to execute a newfs. >> >> - I followed a succession of screens asking me to do the usual configuration >> steps (hostname, clock, network - IPv4 only ?? -, users) and at the end I >> get >> back a screen asking me if a wanted to do the steps I had done just >> before... >> >> - booting the installed system, I found that the hostname disappeared, the >> keyboard was not configured, nor the network, and so on >> >> - during the whole process the screen was scrambled by the occurence of a >> number >> of LORs displayed on top of the dialogs/messages of the installer. >> >> - the file system of the installer/live system seems to be too small, >> leading to >> a number of "system full" messages as soon a few files are written to it. >> >> So the sole value added of the installer was the extraction of the >> tarballs.. >> >> It seems that (on a memory stick which is writable) that every aborted >> attempt >> to do a configuration step leaves a "trace" in some files used by the >> installer, >> which is able to show it (e.g. the hostname) at the following attempts, but >> without garantee that it will effectively be used. >> >> (On the other hand, the advantage of the memory stick is that the system on >> it >> can be configured at will) >> >> Referring to a thread I found recently a propos the documentation on the >> install >> media, I also want to say that a proper installer must be able to do its >> work >> without any Internet connectivity. There exist systems which are not >> connected, >> and networks without any communication with the Internet. >> >> Claude Buisson >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"