From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 28 20:15:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 997EE37B402 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 65609 invoked by uid 100); 29 Jan 2002 04:15:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15446.8687.379406.482030@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:15:43 -0600 To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <15445.44102.288461.155113@caddis.yogotech.com> References: <200201271757.g0RHvTF12944@midway.uchicago.edu> <1617.216.153.202.59.1012240332.squirrel@www1.27in.tv> <20020128192930.GA86720@student.uu.se> <15445.44102.288461.155113@caddis.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.44 (Python 2.2; freebsd-4.5-RC-i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nate Williams types: > > Note that "do not enable firewall" (which is implied by firewall_enable="NO") > > is *not* equivalent to "disable firewall". > Maybe we're having an English language question. I'd say you are. > If something isn't enabled, doesn't that imply that it's disabled? Last > I checked, enabled/disabled were binary operations. No. Failing to enable something doesn't mean that you disable it. Those are both actions. It's also possible that to take no action whatsoever. Tanya Harding disabled Nancy Kerrigan. Nobody else in the world disabled her. By your logic, they all must therefore have enabled her, which clearly isn't the case. Most of them did nothing. A small number of people did the things necessary to enable her to skate again. That said, I don't really have an objection to changing the variable name, or making it tristated, or some such to avoid this confusion. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message