From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 20:15:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4101D1065674; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E315F8FC08; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so2189395wyb.13 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WFkgB+g4A7xwhg9WAiGuGyJubPwf+2xe0hWcZ7nqF9c=; b=IEDDvrS+SZshUu/30XtRk255362ajSYogyExlH5IWR+XaQ5qXBGvCZt4D3vmiw90jI 2C4otSesnp68+0PdKvr3r6n8+UaqD5Kk1wgNg5zlIjxV+/P0OHghWjJ7OGSr0mGeL9dA qccFB4t+ZKVXpltHIr6+L6Vv9aoX4GJa3fRdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qphPaZoS3DDjPcIwqk3MeIHe6gZTgLiG49WYAY0TmEcayvs9XDVPx98Inv9axATKnx 9sRBmm/9GHjOIDgRb/6sJzclFmup7mF35UlYgwjtxJeiCsKpjSTjGnIE/Flbl7L+MkjU +QdBuSHcL2IYtt/eutdI+rcbZ3piZCqfznFMo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.3.3 with SMTP id 3mr2566998weg.57.1298319323099; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.71.200 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:15:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D62B980.2090606@dougbarton.us> References: <201102180940.p1I9eD29050530@svn.freebsd.org> <20110219073412.GC2016@garage.freebsd.pl> <20110221084025.GA14934@zeninc.net> <20110221092143.GA1766@garage.freebsd.pl> <20110221110156.GA15358@zeninc.net> <4D62B980.2090606@dougbarton.us> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:15:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, VANHULLEBUS Yvan , src-committers@freebsd.org, Pawel Jakub Dawidek , svn-src-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r218794 - in head: . sys/netipsec X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:15:25 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 02/21/2011 03:01, VANHULLEBUS Yvan wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:21:43AM +0100, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: >>> >>> > =A0On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 09:40:25AM +0100, VANHULLEBUS Yvan wrote: >> >> [RFC4868 and MFC] >>> >>> > =A0You can't talk to two such peers with sysctl or without anyway. I >>> > assume >>> > =A0that if someone already has tunnels configured and they work, they >>> > work, >>> > =A0because the other end uses 96 bits hashes. Once he upgrades there = is >>> > no >>> > =A0way to get old behaviour back quickly. >>> > >>> > =A0You are changing on-the-wire protocol in the middle of stable bran= ch. >>> > Am >>> > =A0I alone in thinking that this is bad idea? >> >> That's a good question. >> Of other people also think it's a bad idea, I can just forget the MFC. >> But the same problem will happen when we'll release 9.0. >> Of course, this is easier to explain, as this will be a new branch. > > IMO RFC compliance trumps -stable here. Admittedly some small percentage = of > users will be inconvenienced, and that is unfortunate. However all users = who > start using this technology from here forward should get the full RFC > compliant version. > > As Bjoern pointed out, we'll see more of this, not less because oddly eno= ugh > RFC publication (like many other external factors) do not revolve around = our > release schedules. :) Or maybe the statement: "Conformance and stability with the rest of the conforming machines trumps incorrectness and stability within just older versions of FreeBSD"? Is the right way to say things? Personally I think Yvan's doing the right thing as a bug's a bug, but that's just me. *shrugs* -Garrett