From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Feb 12 11:39:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8988CDC5CD for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926731048 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8ECE2CDC5CA; Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E733CDC5C8 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (mail.sorbs.net [67.231.146.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7931047 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from isux.com (firewall.isux.com [213.165.190.213]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0OL900LK0FFQGF00@hades.sorbs.net> for ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2017 03:47:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! To: Mark Linimon Cc: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <99cr9cp6o01ef949dig289bkspipl8mog7@4ax.com> <20170210211849.GB10806@lonesome.com> <20170211002035.GA11637@lonesome.com> <87172bcd-3305-0e80-ddea-81f388291e2b@sorbs.net> <20170211180403.GA14424@lonesome.com> From: Michelle Sullivan Message-id: <8f101b68-889f-6b41-64f6-6aa8ede2efe4@sorbs.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:39:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 In-reply-to: <20170211180403.GA14424@lonesome.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:39:49 -0000 Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 09:51:41AM +0100, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> Tell me.... What is the reason for me upgrading those few production >> servers from 9.3 to 10/11?... bearing in mind the following: > There isn't any ... oh, except for no new security updates. But that's the thing isn't it... what security updates? If I take away the ports installed I don't actually think there is anything that can provide a security issue, at least not one that wouldn't be creating a massive ruck around the world... like the ability to hack the FreeBSD network stack etc... > > The flip side is the more important question. Why should we ask > developers to support a version of the OS that doesn't have: > > From https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/relnotes.html: > > * bhyve, drm2, rasbpi, nvme, several overhauled drivers and carp. ..and why can they not appear in 9.x...? > > From https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.0R/relnotes.html: > > * mpr, mrsas, pms, autofs, other overhauled drivers. ...or these...? ABI change? Or is it the same ABI with updated drivers? > > I recommend folks reading this thread should examine those links. > > As for things removed from base, my understanding is: > > * we have limited people to fix/regression test all the security problems > in base/ software. A few notorious candidates have been factored out > into ports. You have less people now I can guarantee you that. > > * there is an overall drive to move to an entirely GPL-free base system. > Perhaps this is not important to you but there are others to whome this > is important. > > I have some other thoughts on this but I am being called away to deal with > some other crisis ATM. The GPL-free base system drive is driving stuff and will change things that I can see an OS upgrade/version change is called for... but why not get all of it done and put into 10.0 instead of driving forward with getting to 12.0 as fast as possible? Regards, -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/