From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 20:13:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19349 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:13:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19326 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA04693; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:42:40 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA11082; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:42:40 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981129144239.F6182@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:42:39 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: ML Duke , Andrew Boothman Cc: alissa bader , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where to ask questions (was: installation problems) References: <3660A011.68F02857@sour.cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ML Duke on Sat, Nov 28, 1998 at 09:00:58PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 28 November 1998 at 21:00:58 -0700, ML Duke wrote: >> alissa bader wrote: >>> Basically, I can get it to go through the install, but I sometimes get >>> kind of wonky things when I try to install a package. I get a a "fatal >>> trap 12: page fault in kernel mode." Then the machine reboots. >>> >>> I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. I've tried > > The suggestion it might be faulty memory was a good one--been there done > that, it can hose your entire system. > > The suggestion to take it to "questions" was not--unless you do some > preparation first. Installing a package? From CD Rom, dos distribution > or downloading/compile from ports? > > Define _everything_ or these guys will cream you. Not because they are > bad guys, but because they are tired of attempting to answer incomplete > questions. As yours stands it would stink to high heaven on questions. Yes, it's true that people on -questions get upset if you put in a badly formulated question. But the solution isn't to put in a badly formulated question to an inappropriate list--you may not get flamed, but chances are you won't get a useful answer either. For example, you and Andrew both suggested it could be memory. It may be. I've seen cases like this where it has been memory, I've seen cases where it wasn't. If Alissa believes you two guys, she might go out and buy new memory and find herself in exactly the same situation as before, just a couple of hundred dollars poorer. You can understand that the guys on -questions (myself included) want to give the right answer, and for that we need more details. There's really no alternative: the obvious solution is to find out how to ask questions correctly. http://www.lemis.com/questions.html is a good place to start. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message