From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Aug 14 09:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23487 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23437 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13112; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:42:22 GMT (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199808140942.JAA13112@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: "B. Richardson" , Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64-bit time_t In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:22:45 CST." <199808141526.JAA23467@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:42:21 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Aside from breaking legacy interfaces in K&R mode, the only real change this will effect is to slow down the handling of system time issues on 32-bit platforms. This change (if they implement it correctly) will break at least one major commercial application. Note that we already have 64-bit time support as I previously mentioned (struct timeval), again geared more for usefulness than pointless generality. > I believe that Linux is already moving to a 64-bit time_t. The BSDs > are behind. Maybe that's why there's resistance here (I can't figure > out any LOGICAL reason for resisting this necessary change.) > > --Brett > > At 09:14 AM 8/14/98 -0400, B. Richardson wrote: > > > > >Slightly out of thread, but .... do any 32 bit Unices have a 64 bit > >time_t? I was under the impression (maybe wrongfully so) that they do not. > > > >- > > > >Barrett Richardson rabtter@orion.aye.net > > > >On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > > > >> At 11:25 PM 8/13/98 +0000, Mike Smith wrote: > >> > >> >Funny, that's what Unix is. A big box full of tools. > >> > >> Many of which, due to legacy code, are redundant and cause > >> unnecessary bloat and confusion. > >> > >> >Pick the right one for the job, and you'll bruise much less often. > >> > >> Make one more generally useful, and you won't have to root around > >> hunting for the one (of dozens) that's exactly right. > >> > >> It's amazing the excuses people will make not to update their tools! > >> I suppose this is why so much is still written in C, which is > >> generally acknowledged to be a rusty tool without safety guards. > >> > >> --Brett > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message