From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 04:59:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F9716A4CE; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.bluewin.ch (mail3.bluewin.ch [195.186.1.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFBB43D39; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benlutz@datacomm.ch) Received: from mjollnir.intranet (62.203.11.209) by mail3.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 7.0.027) id 40559DA3001173A0; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:58:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:58:36 +0100 From: Benjamin Lutz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040322135836.325a48b1.benlutz@datacomm.ch> In-Reply-To: <20040322051025.GI52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <8128608.1079897638@[192.168.0.5]> <20040322035456.GA80194@gargantuan.com> <20040322051025.GI52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Mon__22_Mar_2004_13_58_36_+0100_et8LaKhd6+7aICtL" cc: grog@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:59:00 -0000 --Signature=_Mon__22_Mar_2004_13_58_36_+0100_et8LaKhd6+7aICtL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:40:25 +1030 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Heh. That's human nature. To quote: > > What is actually happening, I am afraid, is that we all tell each > other and ourselves that software engineering techniques should be > improved considerably, because there is a crisis. But there are a > few boundary conditions which apparently have to be satisfied: > > 1. We may not change our thinking habits. > 2. We may not change our programming tools. > 3. We may not change our hardware. > 4. We may not change our tasks. > 5. We may not change the organizational set-up > in which the work has to be done. > > Now under these five immutable boundary conditions, we have to try > to improve matters. This is utterly ridiculous. > > Edsger W. Dijkstra, on receiving the ACM Turing Award in 1972 Great quote. I forwarded it to a friend, his reply cracked me up as well (translated from german): > Oh, he said as early as 1972? > That the crisis still isn't over, that we are aware of. It's just > that at the moment, things are looking like this: > > 1. We are forced to change our thinking habits (Patterns, UML, ...) > 2. We are forced to replace all our tools (.net c#) > 3. We need new hardware (64bit anyone?) > 4. We need more flexibility (low level programmers are supposed > to be good pixel artists) > 5. We desperately need a new company structure. Greetings Benjamin --Signature=_Mon__22_Mar_2004_13_58_36_+0100_et8LaKhd6+7aICtL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXuL/gShs4qbRdeQRAsdPAJ9lS+kxsYrW6p36m0ZfZae1XyzlgACfTyjn gaotL3U2YCFqFtDnNktPSPw= =IAQe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Mon__22_Mar_2004_13_58_36_+0100_et8LaKhd6+7aICtL--