From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 11:35:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4529FC4701F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:35:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm31-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97F4AD1 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479468762; bh=WhyOh1EXPjctinHViAID/j3h3jLGLbRGFQO9vQ5lUww=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=byHHNL8RAcGhZWfewUg/G0HUSBny4ONVaNgMcsEl74vDaSeXAXVrCRncnE93RWIlDBKKWjYBC8rmqG4mPIOH5YatO0ktRhkWVybnmv3yuCHWzW+vNB78K8GiPzu7nxpl7ZjF3coxoh2+5m/2+PKrTvbeEKGR3exp9hXRK3wD3cpoB/a63yR7BUL2wWpdR5FRjZ/AByhqPjwy10yAX/KTCa5NM1eA6Igoj0sHRATWN562lGAOCBg5+qhsCJKUoZ8o4633ajcyLqq+MsOB8o6fRjElo0/rgBelzEA4LSd+tSfsHSvCd2YEOiDl+5Yzf1O/1BS2SOoPvAfYZob+HTtYYg== Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm31.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 11:32:42 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.88] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 11:32:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 11:32:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 484762.24946.bm@smtp125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: uPsP0d4VM1kCoKZ_ANXsE50W.lLZKeIHDI246jRcbvSysdI 78na6_Os5ye.SIND7T31NYLzDvwy_CLbUSDe7fSXqbAlVh_mWmtU4MMqTQ39 VfKzcrNDtm3xwllNHGdT5JRX5qPZFkHkfH3P2OWY5qHnkU_e305SPuGLTCr7 lbEIuCYzrz2nNpXfX.Gfchgxn3az_PhKH3Y0k6Y3FxUVKBxLV4iFoReCPTfe BZKbnkDLFsFllzY_EbhGri1QQiu5HdkmLkCNuu88eoKjxOT0L.S9f0rYlEH0 hExk9V8V2kRv9Om.Rj7puKgcJUMwACtmpwC90anv42z5qiKmqxJRTx_EZFZr f5YvnRCXisFbIJVWuJ5bt6sSMnovzCiBomd.SNiUO.1eHKCHf_g6xhaQuCKE .FAbJcIpJ3V1zv9HxDkAHXLOB1PMNXl.QQjBhcIwczg57h0atLFu98_hlTaX ZA9JxpxecP1ttPQkzbBn31kxy_zYZEBptGm.KwjXsEGfLhS3tifEuJzkZANt 5PY6K_rob5vD9VrMzs06JIaH0y9dtmfFQQwDXpEBrXQwtQEpk_z48 X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:32:41 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118123241.38b352df@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> References: <3tKvmR3WJ4z1cXL4@baobab.bilink.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:35:47 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:45:49 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: >Thanks to systemd linux is becoming complex and almost unusable (at >least as unusable as Windows :). I'm not an advocate of systemd, but you claims are ridiculous. Indeed, systemd could do more than an init system should do, but you aren't forced to use it, for more than an init system should do, let alone that systemd introduced some useful things, such as systemd-nspawn, that for a lot of desires, is much better than chroot. You could call binary log files idiotic, but even this is not really an issue, e.g. just replace "cat" with "strings". The old sysvinit approach needed improvement or to be replaced. Systemd might not be the best choice, but it doesn't make Linux more complex or almost unusable. For example, you could continue using fstab, you aren't forced to drop it. Depending on what you want to archive, there are good reasons to prefer FreeBSD over Linux or vice versa, but systemd for sure doesn't change Linux in a way, that migrating to FreeBSD makes sense, if Linux was the right choice without systemd. Apart from this, the comparison with Windows only shows, that you don't know what you are talking about. Regards, Ralf