Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:05:27 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> To: Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org>, Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk>, Andriy Gapon <avg@freebsd.org>, Ian Lepore <freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle Message-ID: <CAGH67wRwR7xTsZjM3r%2B4YkxPCSA7%2B4_zYPSrPjAhR-Y=xz%2B-YA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2BtpaK0=huiiY_c_2Ln0pGonBc-LAdAua-uy9UqKr4S8mYWY8g@mail.gmail.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1112211415580.19710@kozubik.com> <op.v78i3yxi34t2sn@tech304> <4F15C44F.1030208@freebsd.org> <1326836797.1669.234.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F16019F.2060300@FreeBSD.org> <1326843399.1669.249.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F160B99.1060001@FreeBSD.org> <CADWvR2jdeu6R%2BmX1n2Uz1WUBcZ=BKWSDB4nR-rEv_P4jAZg3HQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F16900A.90905@FreeBSD.org> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1201181121010.51158@fledge.watson.org> <4F170623.4080006@freebsd.org> <CA%2BtpaK0=huiiY_c_2Ln0pGonBc-LAdAua-uy9UqKr4S8mYWY8g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> w=
rote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>wro=
te:
>
>>
>> we really need a bud-submitting-user advocate..
>>
>> Someone (need not have a commit bit) who doesn't take charge of the patc=
h,
>> but, rather,
>> acts as a project manager in hte process of getting it in.
>> i.e. finding, and then pinging the approriate developer, and occasionall=
y
>> nagging them or
>> finding an alternate dev if the first choice is unresponsive.
>>
>> diplomatic skill would be important.. =A0maybe a woman might be best in
>> this job as the developers tend to not want to be rude to women :-) =A0.
>>
>
> I've suggested this before without much response, but since this thread
> seems to be encouraging repetition I'll give it another go. =A0;)
>
> I think a bounty system would be very effective(e.g. micro-donations of
> recent political campaigns) in getting many of these problems resolved.
> The main problem with a bounty system is getting people to pay since
> certain needs/desires lose their urgency over time. =A0To address this, t=
he
> system needs to be an escrow type setup where money is pooled until proje=
ct
> is complete, then payment in full is given.
>
> There are large barriers to entry in setting up such a system though such
> as legal and financial hurdles. =A0I don't believe the technical hurdles =
are
> over-whelming and I would be willing develop a web front end for such a
> system. =A0Because of the barriers I believe such a system should be setu=
p
> and spun off by the FreeBSD Foundation and I don't want to do any dev
> unless there is some momentum.
Bounty systems have not come into existence because of the
potential legal ramifications w.r.t. distribution of funds,
responsibility of completion of work, and a number of other points
I've not listed here.
iXsystems does help funnel money to contractors [with a small
amount of "administrative overhead"] if you need something done and
you have the funds to do it with. In which case, it's advised to have
a proper plan, requirements document, and deliverables setup before
going and proposing a course of action. That's where some opensource
projects tend to fail: the requirements are too openended and thus the
end-result cannot be achieved in a meaningful timeframe or in
sufficiently manageable quanta (deliverables in this case).
The deliverables and the scope of the work should be negotiated
between all three parties: the 'customer', the 'contracting group',
and the 'contractor'.
Thanks,
-Garrett
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