From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 25 16: 0:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from va.cs.wm.edu (va.cs.wm.edu [128.239.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E8E37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dali.cs.wm.edu (dali [128.239.26.26]) by va.cs.wm.edu (8.11.4/8.9.1) with ESMTP id fAPNx5q22945 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from zvezdan@localhost) by dali.cs.wm.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id fAQ00kI21722 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:00:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:00:46 -0500 From: Zvezdan Petkovic To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: linux-base 6.2 vs linux-base 7 Message-ID: <20011125190045.A21651@dali.cs.wm.edu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Stable References: <3BFF8750.8090109@rain.fr> <20011125211058.A628@jochem.dyndns.org> <20011125213815.GA16500@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20011125230111.A24090@jochem.dyndns.org> <20011125222422.GA17212@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20011125233536.A24348@jochem.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011125233536.A24348@jochem.dyndns.org>; from j.kossen@home.nl on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:35:36PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:35:36PM +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: > linux-netscape-navigator-4.79 and linux-opera-5.05-tp1_2 > > If i could get a browser which supports flash and has decent HTML/JavaScript > support (not like konqueror), i could do without either of those... > Did you ever really try to find it? Mozilla 0.9.2.1 supports flash/realaudio/java excellently. Mozilla 0.9.5 has fixed, as far as I can see, the last few rendering bugs on several pages I knew as problematic for previous Mozilla releases. Mozilla 0.9.6 is already out. Galeon 0.11.3 does all these things (since it's based on Mozilla 0.9.2) with perhaps more convenient interface for some people. Galeon after 0.12.4 release is Mozilla 0.9.5 compatible. They released 1.0 recently. Finally, I must defend this "slander" :-) of Konqueror which is also an excellent browser. It does support HTML and JavaScript quite well. I knew some pages that looked much better in Konqueror than in Mozilla, and vice versa. Konqueror 2.2 is almost completely standards compliant (check CSS webpage at W3C to see what they have to say about it). One thing though. JavaScript is off by default, while in Mozilla it's on by default. Let me give you some reasons why one would want to use Konqueror rather than Mozilla/Galeon etc. 1. Selective control of Java, JavaScript and cookies. Mozilla/Galeon have the selective control of cookies only. Java and JavaScript are either on or off non-selectively. Galleon at least has a quick menu option to switch them on/off which comes in handy if you want to enable them for one particular page only. But that can't beat Konqueror's per domain selective Allow/Reject policy for all three of them. I accept JavaScript from a very few domains only and Java from even less. 2. Printing! Try printing anything that is not in Western Latin1 encoding (ISO8859-1) in Mozilla/Galeon. Have fun watching the look of the page on the paper. Konqueror prints perfectly ISO8859-whatever and Microsoft encodings (Cyrillic or Latin). It can print PDF directly. Unbeatable! 3. Anti-aliasing. AFAIK, Mozilla still doesn't have it. Let me give you the reasons why you wouldn't want to use Konqueror on some sites. 1. The plugin support sometimes fails. Reloading the page or clicking the link again usually succeeds but it's annoying. Notice, please, that some plugins are simply old and work only in Netscape 4.x. Even Mozilla can't support them. 2. Yes there are still a few pages Konqueror doesn't render well. I often visit nba.com and the front page should have a photo inside the central frame to the right of the text (it does in other browsers). Konqueror for some reason doesn't show it. It also still misses the text justification from the CSS standard. But that's not a big deal. As I mentioned there were some pages that Mozilla couldn't show well until version 0.9.5 and Konqueror was showing them flawlessly. 3. All these processes running in the background just to start the Konqueror. If you are running KDE that's not an issue. But I run a simple window manager and these extra processes are just a burden. Hence, there's no perfect browser. If you want clean reading of the most pages in nicely anti-aliased fonts (use Microsoft Webfonts TrueType bundle), complete control of your privacy, and you do not mind all the extra processes -- use Konqueror. For the pages that do not render correctly in Konqueror raise Mozilla or Galeon. If you do not mind having JavaScript and/or Java enabled/disabled all the time and do not care for anti-aliasing use Mozilla or Galeon. Print from Konqueror only. :-) Notice that each one of them can be better choice then Opera for quite a few sites (e.g. banks) that refuse to work with anything but IE and Netscape. Mozilla/Galeon/Konqueror pass as Netscape, Opera gets refused. Finally this might not save you the burden of using linuxbase since most of the plugins (flash 5.0, realplayer 8.0) are available for Linux but not for *BSD. Best regards, -- Zvezdan Petkovic hleonttp://www.cs.wm.edu/~zvezdan/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message