From nobody Mon Oct 20 18:17:32 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cr3ZY49gyz6CtB2 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 18:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp6.goneo.de (smtp6.goneo.de [85.220.129.31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cr3ZY1w7Zz41b6 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 18:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hub2.goneo.de (hub2.goneo.de [85.220.129.53]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp6.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4021B240F42; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hub2.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 081972402E6; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:18:09 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1760984289; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=WyI8xMzddbNgIlgOb8GDAp3mcV4i8C3PkBCkQ6Q0vz4=; b=XkdCO6vrV+m7w/d1dQ65SqS4b5ZfGvTyT2oXSO6M/tvOcsaipMHpI91Mu2srVLYgaof9R1 IfoRLVwy4DTLf6ADWBoYS9LiVtvybMfJusWke62ssvPNrVeQO/R4iWMEnKlzzUjkiCw6xO icMttVWHVUonszmDkDWWVayAFzuoOx5jpvY0KkHLu0lAs4jOIPFoqVEsuBTV1ri5scHOIu 3VAojAXQCWXGSjGl8R3gGSH0AWYDHDniP81Pffm3/E3Tan+Gl9JMTo9qaoj/I72s9Y1Daq SpW0H3qfPcYSxj2/1E8sL7e5fgYg7GIWyFnRlT/2N/Ozk4vOewMadIhOiH0+WA== Received: from thor.sb211.local (dynamic-2a02-3100-2eec-4002-a2eb-a836-6d10-df36.310.pool.telefonica.de [IPv6:2a02:3100:2eec:4002:a2eb:a836:6d10:df36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9814A24027A; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:18:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:17:32 +0200 From: A FreeBSD User To: bob prohaska Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: Inverted mouse wheel since refurbishment of moused? Message-ID: <20251020201759.2b41f4b0@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20251019193257.4e608978@thor.sb211.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.21.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/Fe+Y.4I3=43QnEUjeHc_iW6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: e6a784 X-Rspamd-UID: 29f7ea X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cr3ZY1w7Zz41b6 --Sig_/Fe+Y.4I3=43QnEUjeHc_iW6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tage des Herren Sun, 19 Oct 2025 14:33:14 -0700 bob prohaska schrieb: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 07:33:15PM +0200, A FreeBSD User wrote: > > A while ago /usr/sbin/moused has seen some refurbishment. Since then in= X11 the mousewheel > > is inverted. I'm on CURRENT and 15-STABLE. Mouse is right hand. Moving = the wheel "away" was > > supposed to scroll DOWN towards the last entry (i.e. within an xterm), = moving (or > > rotating, if you like) the wheel towards me was supposed to scroll UPWA= RD towards > > historical entries. Up to the time of this inversion there was no diffe= rence between > > Microsofts handling of the mousewheel. Now, switching between M$ Window= s and my lab's FBSD > > installation is a pain, my limited brains capacity doens't compute the = inversion of the > > axis very fast. Since I do not use fancy things on how to configure the= mouse in Windows I > > suppose its the standard how I use the mouse (I use Windows for departm= ent's Email, just > > that), in FreeBSD's X11 I used for years now either no extra config or = =20 > >=20 > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7". > >=20 > > First guess was to shuffle "4 5 6 7", but whatever the order of the num= bers is, it has no > > effect. > >=20 > > What triggers this inversion and how to restore the "legacy" or, more = suitable, the > > traditional way? > > =20 > Have you tried a different mouse? =20 Lots of. At work there are several types of cheap standard USB mice, most o= f them HP, Fujitsu (no matter what vendor they use) or Logitech, at home I use a Razer. Somehow I caught by surprise just compiling a new world/kernel and the mous= e wheel is inverted ... >=20 > Just to be clear, on a RasPiOS machine I see > Wheel top surface away from user, text scrolls down in window > wheel top surfacace toward user, text scrolls up in window >=20 > It's been a while since I last used X on FreeBSD >=20 > I _have_ observed scroll wheels "going backwards" on=20 > a pair of old Dell mice that I use a great deal.=20 > Contact cleaner applied to the encoder, which seems > to be a mechanical switch, fixes it for extened intervals. > That behavior was quite erratic, but debris in an optical > encoder might conceivably do something similar, perhaps > in a more consistent way. >=20 > hth, >=20 > bob prohaska >=20 >=20 --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/Fe+Y.4I3=43QnEUjeHc_iW6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCaPZ81wAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r656AP4mn7heB+SwrTbGEhFYZGiLcKflXkoNKs1+VXAJP/T+BgEAwGFpStEZMD50 qLk5Li77Qwf5k7o2jBGzMKsjtIxqfwc= =SfG0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Fe+Y.4I3=43QnEUjeHc_iW6--