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Meyer" , src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2B9405A4-8483-4D8E-8668-CC58095E42BE@samsco.org> References: <202009212255.08LMtpSp078237@repo.freebsd.org> <202009212316.08LNG1Dq005499@slippy.cwsent.com> <20200922191843.GA62498@lion.0xfce3.net> <20200922192424.mnzunuwnjtwfwilh@mutt-hbsd> <202009221943.08MJhNb3006228@slippy.cwsent.com> To: Cy Schubert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BwtVf6NxFz4bYY X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=samsco.org header.s=fm1 header.b=nQbq+XGv; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=dRnRYCxn; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of scottl@samsco.org designates 66.111.4.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=scottl@samsco.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.26 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[samsco.org:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[scottl]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.29:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[samsco.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.028]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[samsco.org:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.10)[-1.098]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.030]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[svn-src-all,svn-src-head]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.29:from] X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 20:40:43 -0000 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Does this file still need to be in FreeBSD? It may have been a = novel=3D >> ty back >>>>>> in the day but IMO calendar.history has nothing to do with BSD, = comp=3D >> uters >>>>>> or anything else of interest to FreeBSD. At the very least this = file=3D >> should >>>>>> be moved to ports or better yet, removed entirely. I simply don't = se=3D >> e the >>>>>> point of it being in the tree and distributed with an O/S, any = O/S. >>>> =3D20 >>>> I think that the only reason for this file's existence in the = source tr=3D >> ee is for >>>> Greg's staving off the commit bit reaper. >>>> No offense meant. >>>> =3D20 >>>> P.S. >>>> And occasional flame wars, it seems. >>> =3D20 >>> We already had a similar discussion in march 2020 after r358561 [1]. >>> =3D20 >>> In the short, the calendar utility has it's historic place, even = it's >>> just more a kind of tradition, like adding yourself as a FreeBSD = committer >>> to calendar.freebsd. >>> =3D20 >>> [1] = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-all/2020-March/thread.html >>=20 >> Would it make sense to prune calendar entries to only BSD-related >> entries? >=20 > +1 >=20 >=20 Responding to the most recent message here, but there are a couple of = things that warrant a response. First, proposals for technical action, like = re-arranging or removing the calendar module, should happen on arch@, not here. = Please formulate a proposal and move the discuss to that forum. Second, there=E2=80=99s a vibe in parts of this thread that are = passive-aggressively disrespectful to Greg. I encourage those who might feel some personal frustration towards Greg to talk to him directly. The Core team can = help with that communication if needed. Otherwise, it=E2=80=99s not not = appropriate and not welcome on the mailing lists. If you don=E2=80=99t feel it=E2=80=99s = important enough to resolve in a professional manner, then please keep it to yourself. Thanks, Scott