From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 23:33:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1816A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:33:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A526843D75 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:33:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id jALNZcb68070; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Dinesh Nair" Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:32:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <437F096C.6010104@alphaque.com> Importance: Normal Cc: Michael Vince , Peter Clutton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:33:03 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dinesh Nair >Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:16 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Michael Vince; Peter Clutton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems > > > >On 11/19/05 17:28 Ted Mittelstaedt said the following: >> Absolute total rubbish. >> >> Let's take one of these developing countries - China PRC - shall we? > >right, pick a country which has seen billions in investment >flowing in over >the last 5 years and use that as an example. shall we consider other >countries such as those in africa and the greater part of Asia now ? > Touchy are we? China may have billions of investment coming into it now, but they got that way because they made some hard, difficult choices. Such as deciding to put a lid on their population growth and learn how to do it without having a war every decade or so. Such as cracking down on government corruption. Such as cracking down on public health. It's not China with an AIDS epidemic right now. And I'm not saying China is perfect - they steal every engineering idea in existence and have no respect for the patent process - but they know they want to be a player in the world, they know that the world is driven by economics today not arms, and they have resolved to win at the economic wars. >the point of the matter is, mr mittelstaedt, is that you're >america-centric >worldview just does not jive with what happens in the rest of >the world. Wrong, it may not jive with what happens in a certain percentage of the rest of the world comprised of a SUBSET of developing countries - that is, a subset of the set of developing countries. But of course, if you put all those qualifiers in to make your statements actually truthful, it would diminish their impact greatly. >what you suggest and propose is not possible Untrue. >and things here are just >different. > Anything is possible if you make it important enough. As I already have said, once the oil runs out, which is going to happen in a blink of an eye in geological time, and in human history time, solar energy will be the ONLY viable power source left - and the tropics have the lions share of it. Consider that the whole of RECORDED human history, is a much LONGER time than even the most optimistic estimates of the length of time left for fossil fuel resources. Your great grandchildren (assuming you have kids) will very likely have an exact date figured in their lifetime that the fossil fuel resources will be dried up. If you choose to cop the attitude today that solar is impossible for your culture, and just give up on even trying to get it started now, then I guarentee that when it's the only thing left, the rest of the world will be in your country just like they are in Iraq today, and you will have lost any chance you have of self-determination for your future. I'd suggest you get cracking on building those photovoltiac manufacturing facilities in your area, if you ever want to have a say in your future. One day not very far in the future the world will be at your door demanding energy, and if you are still saying it's impossible then, well then the world is going to just shove you aside and show you how to do it. Ted