From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 16 14:16:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D95616A41C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:16:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@mkbuelow.net) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECFF43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:16:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@mkbuelow.net) Received: from drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (p54AA8609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.170.134.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C7632A7B for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:19:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (mkb@localhost.mkbuelow.net [127.0.0.1]) by drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GEGVVu000848 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:16:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mkb@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net) Received: (from mkb@localhost) by drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j6GEGUJ2000847 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:16:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mkb) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:16:30 +0200 From: Matthias Buelow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050716141630.GB752@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> References: <20050715224650.GA48516@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <200507152342.j6FNg5Tx015427@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <20050716133710.GA71580@outcold.yadt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050716133710.GA71580@outcold.yadt.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:16:18 -0000 David Taylor wrote: >No. I'm just asking if you know of ANY ata drives that will wait for the >cache to be flushed before claiming the disable cache command has >succeeded. I don't, but I haven't looked. I don't know either. I assume that they do. Does it matter? I mean, I'm not suggesting a frivolous new theory that is highly speculative and warrants a lengthy debate on its purported merits. What I described is common practice on Windows, Linux and probably a few other systems and I would think that they're not doing this for nothing. And, frankly, I'm a bit astonished that the FreeBSD (community) seems to be so ignorant of well-known measures for improving data safety on consumer-grade desktop hardware. Does that mean that FreeBSD is deemed generally unsuited for desktop and laptop use and should be reserved for servers with the appropriate (expensive) hardware? I hope not. mkb.