From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 15:40:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 680) id 3115416A4D2; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:40:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:40:35 +0000 From: Darren Reed To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20050510154035.GB67017@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20050502201921.4F0387306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> <20050507192448.GA1401@gothmog.gr> <200505072153.54369.josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es> <20050507201142.GA9298@gothmog.gr> <427D82C4.4000201@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <427D82C4.4000201@samsco.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:29:33 +0000 cc: Darren Reed cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: Jose M Rodriguez Subject: Re: IPFILTER Branch [was: Re: [current tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:40:35 -0000 On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 09:08:52PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > Darren's latest import wasn't ever tested on FreeBSD, nor did he make > any attempt to make it compile on FreeBSD before he imported it. That's just utter bullshit. > He merely dropped it in CVS and walked away. As is that. I spent the best partof the next 2 to 3 days getting it together. But I could be generous and accept that it appeared like that but really, what you call "walking away" is what I call "sleeping." Maybe you have more time in your life such that you can do commits in hours that aren't next to when you sleep. I'm not so fortunate. Or maybe you just don't need to sleep. Or maybe you're just ignorant that people do work when they can and in timezones that don't align well with most European/North Americans. > If it wasn't for the teamwork of others, it would still be broken. This time there were some parts that needed work that were outside my experience for FreeBSD. That's unlikely to be needed again now that the framework has changed. > CVS is where work goes that is done and tested, not where undercooked > hacks go while waiting for others to clean them up. It's always tested (as in it works) before it is imported. The only issue I generally have is with driving CVS and making sure all the right bits go in the right place and that it compiles cleanly. If I had enough "stuff" I'd rsync out the repo, do a test of everything against a clone of the repo, test that a few times and then commit into FreeBSD. Well, at least for the last import. But the only resource *I* have (currently) are those in freebsd.org and my laptop that needs to be used for a lot more things (like run FreeBSD 4 and FreeBSD 5, too.) Darren