From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 20 02:10:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5602B3276 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 02:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x144.google.com (mail-il1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4959Bl6YGqz4QSn for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 02:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x144.google.com with SMTP id u5so8270553ilb.5 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:10:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=P7xVIsszCnONEk5p8BOT+0MZt2nE3mtfg1wlno/3Sf8=; b=b3XRSmJIkZlDHolGwUspph/yGoNcX7+3o+RbBIx5ZoVgv2bApcDf55efcTXeXmxdYB h6KwDS68TSoOJa2KYLtCCYS+CA6zH0oqxYJSsqxQeJsyELrySpYcYi9JCr8xxuy2SGO/ 7+eY/73HPlvLa6Iabxn/uq27iEOdstVJkVeK+cwI4xUUdWJJoODZZdDLVbJO9Nd+wu5T qPybGOZh6nCd93d3xpNY/tzQb3CH3fovX4r/n8+zbxhXawhxrPEQwE3H1FDwYwCIKllm 1l9YfgOIhJDUdYNepWj2BnOki3ZvgKop+/YJWKRjNwMA2UDpiXo8ANMZlx3i5mQKdNsu Saag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=P7xVIsszCnONEk5p8BOT+0MZt2nE3mtfg1wlno/3Sf8=; b=Dp5jygx2+0CMqvHc+mtr0XCK//PpfkGGGDAY3p9V9vFvivTCwSnyBSmouQy/pca262 ynUm8pR/ttxfCkY0TGtQQBVe3mHPiFR6KCuQAHHiz6Z6Csd8C8KKUMQcIA8Y+OUlEhhV C/Xc1zm+c9g83gfXywNeWJIDwGn2Ajj+61E0nT3wFb1tJQkM9x1oMIkzerstnQtZoJET 24sBxSEnogMP3w52AjttuzZR7EtlS8iliMlvHHoD23Jx+pBNLnlAWb4hmTR8HIreh0EL fZrlVJ+xw8Ril4bGE5NnS0beQF5rmedUx2YNtLSp+g7zlCLDoC+NnZ9zs/N0e/1hIRXo OhNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYJASocwfHMk8lgkRjJxTFEmf0DRCeLKeAsdZNPGbFei5qzKqcX 3QFl0TuDQ/bfkwk1RnOrKMAPAW/Asr39NlDWkRI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypK97Sj7PlXXYqbUwXFHdW7pqIERlpGLm15sTjhCLch6r3N6MMxlk6bA5eFVZxrm0+TghuReqdW+jXd2W9A5eQw= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d186:: with SMTP id z6mr11637487ilz.119.1587348606938; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:10:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200420011735.6448818053ED@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:09:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GPL, not freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: "John R. Levine" , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4959Bl6YGqz4QSn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=b3XRSmJI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::144 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (0.15), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 02:10:08 -0000 On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 9:59 PM John R. Levine wrote: > >> In article >> yx-xSo0gdsVgAoA7fUn8oRq3173covquHNw61kBJQ@mail.gmail.com> you write: > >>> Thus I suspect if push came to shove in a legal fight about the > legality > >> of > >>> GPL forcing third parties that just happen to use a GPL'ed project to > give > >>> up all claims over how their work is used would likely > unconstitutional. > >> > >> I'd suggest not playing junior lawyer. The GPL is a contract and > >> there have been successful cases to enforce it. Nobody has any > >> inherent right to use GPL'ed software (or any other software not > >> released into the public domain) so if you don't like the terms, don't > >> use it. > > There is major disagreement if it is a contract or an license (the two > are > > not the same) see the wikipedia article on legal status > > Whichever it might turn out to be, it's still inane to claim there's any > sort of constitutional issue, and it's still a bad idea to play junior > lawyer. > Not true according to the US Copyright office: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html > > over it and if a contract is possible without consideration on both sides > > You might want to read some of the clickwrap case law. > All of which says you *MUST* actively agree to the license before opening the contents. GPL makes no such requirement (it is a passive acceptance) and thus likely not quiet the same. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org