From nobody Mon Feb 9 21:20:31 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4f8yKG5K3Tz6QY0W for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2026 21:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4f8yKG378nz3fVY for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2026 21:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B2F7D7894; Mon, 09 Feb 2026 21:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.18.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 619LKVk4015515; Mon, 9 Feb 2026 21:20:31 GMT (envelope-from phk) Message-Id: <202602092120.619LKVk4015515@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Vadim Goncharov cc: Graham Perrin , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreBSD pkgbase MUST be ebandoned In-reply-to: <20260209235855.7de86893@nuclight.lan> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <0iqhe92aheNJohSnhh8-hXkXhQsaRG4D64nLTlTSIPgd6Iit07IwlMwmn-mIS-Qtp9KuZElphybTlYDIVTUDcVGpHWaUbQVGPKt53NSL5Jg=@proton.me> <1678741437.20260206163514@yahoo.com> <07af999d-3c7b-4fe2-8ed2-a37cf89b663b@quip.cz> <20260206230926.50c6afed@nuclight.lan> <20260209235855.7de86893@nuclight.lan> List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <15513.1770672031.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2026 21:20:31 +0000 X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4f8yKG378nz3fVY X-Spamd-Bar: ---- -------- Vadim Goncharov writes: > So, the pkgbase project, as it is in it's current form, MUST be abandoned > (yeah, in a sense by RFC 2119) and something much serious and > mission-critical should be made instead. Absolutely nothing prevents you from shutting up and coding something better, so why dont you ? That would be a much more productive use of you time than standing on a soapbox yelling demands of other people, over which you have neither sway no authority. If you are right in your claims, you will out-compete pkgbase in no time. And should you fail, the rest of us will still have pkgbase, which is clearly better than freebsd-update. Clearly a win-win sitution! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.