From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 2 22:36:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3178106566C for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451E48FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A5955.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.89.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o12MakiN054787; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:36:47 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o12Mab26061463; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:36:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o12MaLOY062533; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:36:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201002022236.o12MaLOY062533@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Kirk McKusick From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:09:29 PST." <201002022109.o12L9TsJ039446@chez.mckusick.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:36:21 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:36:49 -0000 Kirk McKusick wrote: > Thanks for the pointer. As you note, the damage (or benefit :-) is > done. Still I have sent an email to the editor at Spiegel notifying > them of my copyright in the hopes that they will at least ask in the > future. > > Kirk McKusick Good idea. You might want to contact authors of that PDF paper too. In case, as my browser still is fails on URL I posted earlier: http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf I'll send you an off list copy of what I downloaded earlier at 2nd Feb 18:14 TZ=GMT+01:00. > =-=-=-= > > From: "Julian H. Stacey" > Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:29 +0100 > To: Christoph Kukulies > Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Kirk McKusick > Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany > > Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Look here: > > > > http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html > > ( Well spotted Christoph ! ) > For those that don't read German, tracing back, > Text article starts here > http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html > > That is in German, > (some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org ) > I did read the german article (but skipped graphics). > > Key paragraph: > Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten > Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel > in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier, > 803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für > IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität > Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California, > dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der > eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt. > > In key para there I could click & download > sonda-TR.pdf > (though now I can't seem to redownload > http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf ) > A 15 page article in Engish. > Page 4 uses the Firefox & BSD logos. > > I havent read that English [yet], but with it, any interested here > can now read & form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon > logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder: > Kirk McKusick > > IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem > to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics. > > Personaly my 2c: > Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had > been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame, > I guess tests were done using BSD, & Spiegel thought it was nice > colourful graphic. (Politicians never looked good on British TV > Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look > bad there, & be talked about, than not seen, not recognised & > ignored). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org