From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 18 18:50:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F3966F9EB for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd33.google.com (mail-io1-xd33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSYv44jbyz4Rjy for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd33.google.com with SMTP id v26so17291056iom.11 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gXeY6/wbfQDUj3J47+KDZT86yoywiiuNwAnt5qOhZzs=; b=fTRc2QyEQSCybJ9pRFVbuUC3cHcf4O78B4wfC0HWxJVmZie6s4wpachW58TxPpuBnY nutVlQY3oWI0fLGvoCKwTmyi15wea7EqUabQtFQ3HnT5DprYOP3loSCyUHNHnPKgjox7 y6CaiRGVmQ9Z1P5TKGaWrEqjKphUAn3QO6irE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gXeY6/wbfQDUj3J47+KDZT86yoywiiuNwAnt5qOhZzs=; b=RBIwQjzQMggNYHqB4n/8GRvHyW3/g84PGyRePphcyA0zq670EJw4pdlM3SBBkEsGAM DLg9Yxb55kJcmqCn6YHg4gSCXGgQbS8/ir8Bqlwt2XO+c0kia5bn6iRVgb+Md3yaNQjL +OwBiYHnBQSGOkHNRqUaLJnUB8hAbJwXXA6IEtBh2+WO3Unq7BnkTR7UYWpETEIKA7Ya B1HQ6gqrJoSQhJLgxcWpexJuUUl+z5V+FGtP93HE2flg5g0gQCoqbcHq+vTGACfa6YK3 8GipbU4Yl0Td+jZyfPXclqmP+bv58InYWWbwm0Oru/GRgtJv1JjhddhNWnLhHwoWE8TO 78tA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5309AOl3c53sIE8ZsdG3Al0NthuxFRW4EnFvojIzW9fQZkMh+NtE s7XASib+9xG/gyQ3ZBweYNU4UMltsqJI9llfclmrhgkefeB6LQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzxXeQoaKBGzC4mSLSNFDnAIneXKQjmkYFiY7Un0A1d1aTB5J1eYhRgZwm+1AAA3d7VwdT1y/Y2nAA3ZZC4g+M= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9b14:: with SMTP id y20mr15674744ion.8.1626634206451; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:50:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> <96e71feb5264b8a9afa42cebcd7f2e6bdaf5c31c.camel@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <96e71feb5264b8a9afa42cebcd7f2e6bdaf5c31c.camel@riseup.net> From: Mario Lobo Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:49:55 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Claws Mail (was: What the hell starts pulseaudio?!) To: freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSYv44jbyz4Rjy X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=fTRc2QyE; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:50:10 -0000 On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:28 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 17:07 +0000, Roderick wrote: > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Note, I forwarded this quote from Paul, a Claws developer... > > > > > > I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking > > > > about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in > claws-mail, > > > > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. > > > > > > There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable > > > "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative. > > > > ...and the Claws developer knows all this, but there's a lot of > > confusion by users. > > > > The reason that I described how it works for Yahoo is, to explain users > > (not the developer), that the passwords by the well known Claws settings > > get replaced by passwords, that were generated by the Yahoo > > Webinterface. Nothing does change when using Claws, just the password is > > generated by Yahoo. There is nothing "two" things whatsoever. It's all > > the same password usage as before, just that Yahoo generates the > > password for each external mail client accessing a Yahoo account, as > > described by > > > https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/learn-generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html > > . Old passwords don't work anymore, there was the need to replace the > > old passwords, by those new generated passwords. For Google it's > > probably the same. > > PS: "Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your > email app." This claim from Yahoo is confusing, since complete bogus. > The password and the email address are used by the email client to > access the Yahoo servers. Nobody of us needs to sign in with it to use > our email clIent > This is all really confusing to me.