From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 10 15:41: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2B737B40B for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a063.otenet.gr [212.205.215.63]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4AMe5G1017214; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:40:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4AMdtg9004906; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:40:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.2/Submit) id g4ALEwFY004403; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:14:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:14:58 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Michael Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's not fun anymore. (Mike resigns from core) Message-ID: <20020510211458.GJ2699@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020508170215.A15872@shell.one.net> <45185.1020903634@winston.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45185.1020903634@winston.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002-05-08 17:20, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Of course, I also expect the old guard to fight this tooth and nail > with lots of dire predictions as to what will happen if anyone under > 30 gets into core or why only a long and hoary track-record truly > qualifies one for the job. As an old guardsman myself, I say ``bah!'' > to that sort of self-serving "logic" since we've already proven over > the last two rounds that experienced people are more than capable of > making mistakes or being blind to all the relevant signs and portents > when things are going off the rails. Even if it came with a penalty > of inexperience and beginner's mistakes, I wouldn't mind the fresh > energy and enthusiasm that a totally new slate would bring. It's not > like those of us in 1992 were entirely blessed with loads of > experience at doing this when we started and look what we managed to > create. This is the kind of optimism that makes FreeBSD a nice place to be around. I thought about not replying, since I am one of those young and enthusiastic inexperienced beginners that are mentioned, but IMHO everyone should read carefully what's said above. FreeBSD is developed by a team of people who have managed to work together since 1992, and by all the users who have devoted their time and efforts in making it better every day. Everyone who has contributed to this deserves to be proud of what has been accomplished. I mean, look at what we have. A complete UNIX-like operating system, along with the sources to everything, that is among the most popular and widely used UNIX systems in the world today. I don't know if I'm being too proud here, but it is fun to be a part of the team. And it's not like Mike has left the team. He just thinks that he no longer enjoys having to do the work of -core. This means that we should be both happy and sad. Sad because he has served developers and users of FreeBSD alike by being part of the team that gives a vision and focus to FreeBSD, but is no longer. Happy for him because now he will hopefully have more time to spare for other things he might find more fun to work with. I also think that this is what Sheldon was trying to say. I could be wrong, but pffff let's all give it a break. Much has been done and a lot has been achieved. We should spend out time trying our best to make more things happen. Where everyone feels that they will be more useful and still have tons of enjoying & a good time. - Giorgos PS: Oh, and before I forget... __ __ _ _ | \/ | (_) | |__ ___ | |\/| | | | | / / / -_) _ |_| |_| |_| |_\_\ \___| ( ) |/ _ _ _ __ | |_ | |_ __ _ _ _ | |__ ___ / _| ___ _ _ | _| | ' \ / _` | | ' \ | / / (_-< | _| / _ \ | '_| \__| |_||_| \__,_| |_||_| |_\_\ /__/ |_| \___/ |_| _ _ _ ___ __ __ ___ _ _ _ _ | |_ | |_ (_) _ _ __ _ / -_) \ V / / -_) | '_| | || | | _| | ' \ | | | ' \ / _` | _ \___| \_/ \___| |_| \_, | \__| |_||_| |_| |_||_| \__, | (_) |__/ |___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message