From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 13:23:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF87A37B405 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 54964 invoked by uid 100); 4 Apr 2002 21:23:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15532.50244.102425.795045@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:23:16 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "Randall Hamilton" , Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix In-Reply-To: <003e01c1db8d$88a745e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <012601c1dadb$104d5100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.2846.277278.29276@guru.mired.org> <005e01c1db44$e10d2a40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.27851.19169.720598@guru.mired.org> <001301c1db55$7c883950$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <009201c1db5e$41b1baa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.33743.830853.456500@guru.mired.org> <00c801c1db62$baa46b20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.36674.46968.714882@guru.mired.org> <003e01c1db8d$88a745e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <003e01c1db8d$88a745e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>, Anthony Atkielski typed: > Mike writes: > > No problem. You can find it at > http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/papers/windowing.html > That's just a discussion of window managers. There is far more to a desktop > OS than a window manager. Not for common window management tasks. > It's odd that the second-place desktop OS, the Mac, uses essentially the > same interface as the first-place desktop OS. If the design is so bad, why > are the two leading operating systems using it? Apple's original design was intended to make life easy for casual computer users, not for the relatively intense usage that is typical today. And MS looks almost exactly like the Mac for the same reason that BeOS did - they copied it from the Mac. > > Where's yours? > I have only my empirical evaluation, and it is probably not entirely > objective. In other words, you were talking through your hat, and letting your biases control what you said, instead of actually having anything objective. > > Since you didn't list these putative > > advantages ... > Since operating systems are not normally limited to window managers, with > all other components being ignored, I didn't think it necessary to list the > rest. I think you aren't listing them because they don't exist. If they do, go ahead and list them and quit ducking the issues. > > > It is not cost-effective for me > > > to invest any time in learning something radically different, from a > > > business standpoint. > > I believe that your cost of learning is high > > enough that such an investment isn't worth > > your while. > You don't have enough information to determine my cost of learning, so this > is conjecture. Your own words say that your cost of learning is to high for it to make sense > > > > ... you can shave a *lot* of actions - and > > > > thus a lot of time - off those tasks. > > > And how much additional revenue will this bring in? > > That depends on how fast you work and how much > > you charge for your time. > Only if all else is equal, which it isn't. Of course, if I press you for details on "all else", you won't have anything. > > Those same people will also realize that just > > because this holds true for some people doesn't > > mean it holds true for them all. > Nothing holds true for everyone, but the fact that a minority disagrees > doesn't make the majority wrong. The existence of that minority proves that the majority that insists that everyone is just like them is wrong. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message