Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 01:59:39 +0300 From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> To: David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Accessing root mail messages from another LAN host via IMAP Message-ID: <CAOgwaMsq2hw3Jb9tnFShqo4fFVcDOK=pP-yh8dk4yHZskWD=pQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50d6e516-1590-94b6-c3c8-61527eac912e@holgerdanske.com> References: <fbaa4f57-4485-7a88-ca71-c42f5900aceb@holgerdanske.com> <ad706665-2b0a-8f30-edc1-ce4011f2a73e@qeng-ho.org> <a33bd678-b404-8951-a053-5233464117a4@holgerdanske.com> <CAOgwaMsVRF0U%2Bea1gGLmzp1DhRsWyBda2tw0hvQPY5veJxp2Zg@mail.gmail.com> <50d6e516-1590-94b6-c3c8-61527eac912e@holgerdanske.com>
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--0000000000000c691205de880efd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:47 AM David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 5/8/22 14:06, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:30 PM David Christensen < > dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 5/8/22 06:34, Arthur Chance wrote: > >>> On 08/05/2022 07:05, David Christensen wrote: > >>>> freebsd-questions: > >>>> > >>>> I have a SOHO network with a FreeBSD computer: > >>>> > >>>> 2022-05-07 22:28:10 toor@f3 ~ > >>>> # freebsd-version ; uname -a > >>>> 12.3-RELEASE-p5 > >>>> FreeBSD f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD > >>>> 12.3-RELEASE-p5 GENERIC amd64 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I would like to read mail for the root account on the above computer > by > >>>> using an e-mail client, IMAP, and TLS (Thunderbird) on another LAN > >>>> computer. > >>>> > >>>> How do I accomplish this goal? Are there any tutorials available on > the > >>>> WWW? > >>> > >>> Do you actually need/want the root mail to be stored on the originating > >>> machine? I have a variety of servers on my home network and they all > >>> forward all mail to a central machine using dma(1). > >> > >> > >> Thank you for the reply. > >> > >> > >> At this point, I am looking to start with the simplest solution for one > >> FreeBSD computer. > >> > >> > >> Lucas [1] describes using dma(1). A local centralized MTA has > >> operations and maintenance advantages, especially if there are many > >> local hosts. But, first I have to figure out how to build a local > >> centralized MTA (with TLS). Furthermore, centralization implies "all of > >> your eggs in one basket". As I expect that I will be breaking and > >> fixing this several times as I learn, decentralized KISS should be > easier. > >> > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> [1] https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#af3e > > > > > > > > > > I am asking for only learning : > > > > To enable communications between local computers , > > is it not possible to use NFS supporting communicating programs ? > > If NFS is not suitable , why ? > > > > > > With my best wishes , > > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System > > "Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol > originally developed by Sun Microsystems (Sun) in 1984,[1] allowing a > user on a client computer to access files over a computer network much > like local storage is accessed. ..." > > > AIUI electronic mail uses different protocols that NFS, so they are not > compatible by default. > > > That said, the MTA on the server stores messages in a filesystem as does > the MUA on the client. I supposed you could create a filesystem in one > place for mail storage and have the client and server share it, but the > MTA and the MUA both would need to be designed for shared storage and > both would need to use the same file structures; I doubt sendmail(8) and > Thunderbird have these. And, then there is reliability and security. > > > David > Your answer is sufficiently clear to understand the problems . Thank you very much . With my best wishes , Mehmet Erol Sanliturk --0000000000000c691205de880efd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 9, 2022 = at 12:47 AM David Christensen <<a href=3D"mailto:dpchrist@holgerdanske.c= om">dpchrist@holgerdanske.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20= 4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 5/8/22 14:06, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:<= br> > On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:30 PM David Christensen <<a href=3D"mailt= o:dpchrist@holgerdanske.com" target=3D"_blank">dpchrist@holgerdanske.com</a= >><br> > wrote:<br> > <br> >> On 5/8/22 06:34, Arthur Chance wrote:<br> >>> On 08/05/2022 07:05, David Christensen wrote:<br> >>>> freebsd-questions:<br> >>>><br> >>>> I have a SOHO network with a FreeBSD computer:<br> >>>><br> >>>> 2022-05-07 22:28:10 toor@f3 ~<br> >>>> # freebsd-version ; uname -a<br> >>>> 12.3-RELEASE-p5<br> >>>> FreeBSD <a href=3D"http://f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com</a> 12.3-RELEAS= E-p5 FreeBSD<br> >>>> 12.3-RELEASE-p5 GENERIC=C2=A0 amd64<br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> I would like to read mail for the root account on the abov= e computer by<br> >>>> using an e-mail client, IMAP, and TLS (Thunderbird) on ano= ther LAN<br> >>>> computer.<br> >>>><br> >>>> How do I accomplish this goal?=C2=A0 Are there any tutoria= ls available on the<br> >>>> WWW?<br> >>><br> >>> Do you actually need/want the root mail to be stored on the or= iginating<br> >>> machine? I have a variety of servers on my home network and th= ey all<br> >>> forward all mail to a central machine using dma(1).<br> >><br> >><br> >> Thank you for the reply.<br> >><br> >><br> >> At this point, I am looking to start with the simplest solution fo= r one<br> >> FreeBSD computer.<br> >><br> >><br> >> Lucas [1] describes using dma(1).=C2=A0 A local centralized MTA ha= s<br> >> operations and maintenance advantages, especially if there are man= y<br> >> local hosts.=C2=A0 But, first I have to figure out how to build a = local<br> >> centralized MTA (with TLS).=C2=A0 Furthermore, centralization impl= ies "all of<br> >> your eggs in one basket".=C2=A0 As I expect that I will be br= eaking and<br> >> fixing this several times as I learn, decentralized KISS should be= easier.<br> >><br> >><br> >> David<br> >><br> >><br> >> [1] <a href=3D"https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#af3e" rel=3D"noreferre= r" target=3D"_blank">https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#af3e</a><br>; > <br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > I am asking for only learning :<br> > <br> > To enable communications between local computers ,<br> > is it not possible to use=C2=A0 NFS supporting communicating programs = ?<br> > If NFS is not suitable , why ?<br> > <br> > <br> > With my best wishes ,<br> > <br> > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk<br> <br> <br> <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System" rel=3D"norefe= rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System</= a><br> <br> "Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol <br> originally developed by Sun Microsystems (Sun) in 1984,[1] allowing a <br> user on a client computer to access files over a computer network much <br> like local storage is accessed. ..."<br> <br> <br> AIUI electronic mail uses different protocols that NFS, so they are not <br= > compatible by default.<br> <br> <br> That said, the MTA on the server stores messages in a filesystem as does <b= r> the MUA on the client.=C2=A0 I supposed you could create a filesystem in on= e <br> place for mail storage and have the client and server share it, but the <br= > MTA and the MUA both would need to be designed for shared storage and <br> both would need to use the same file structures; I doubt sendmail(8) and <b= r> Thunderbird have these.=C2=A0 And, then there is reliability and security.<= br> <br> <br> David<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><di= v style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_de= fault">Your answer is sufficiently clear to understand the problems .</div>= <br></div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-s= ize:large" class=3D"gmail_default">Thank you very much .</div><div style=3D= "font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default"><br= ></div><div style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class= =3D"gmail_default">With my best wishes ,</div><div style=3D"font-family:tah= oma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div styl= e=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default"= >Mehmet Erol Sanliturk</div><div style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;fon= t-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:t= ahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default"></div></div></div= > --0000000000000c691205de880efd--
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