From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 29 18:37:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34C61065676 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:37:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@freebsd.org) Received: from nm16-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BF828FC1B for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 18:23:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.245] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 18:23:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 18:23:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 841695.53387.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 94062 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2011 18:23:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325183038; bh=o/NmQVZlTDTkjsv4ej3C2gvxRj81/+F6zS0y6OPN0sw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0MccdPYSTHX2JOgmlIQCVm4QjNdPG7cXM2sTTZSR6by/kjUeb3ibGWU4jMm4vaBVAfKyih9vbMl/PMUCr3LZl3jiGBU7dteKntSfNMq1t8hVS6+z0yL90fhbgtNTOt1m77R8UmTv4eU0KtDtFLQ85mZ7+JyikOz/IY/cfQV2+7U= X-YMail-OSG: toH0.IUVM1lhpQdaYs9DvKsdgB.2e1_PYHHzIgbHainFgq9 GvftoSyRn_Hv4hbHX2lPrwixUsX_M3RgPjzEswktrlR9Lf4BLbdVgU2pxdVf JONKJxDI9TToUJPh_7Q0nm6w3AaNmgswoGqX5DFBLeWjtKZCPykzbxRNWm_v UbjtHBMbHuixKNvcX__8ArU9D0ESOKIRX9624xHQQctkbhzYEc9ZSgqgBSk0 Qc0K9N.CdNkfAe5d0wCf4YENivgXBjHu36nID.05kTyhT8rhBGGTnBrP96yl gvqZ.3fNW2whMXmUcKptiT9H0zGMsdZNuHnbyZqzW.QKAgBGzSR7GrvjWviy ecMJ7.cYPnOVntf2tclwNgu06npf9kcow3YgC9MX1n23zT5Mc7_P84_Lgkxe ciWyI9.2oSQs4GpZfzA76Hmrzpbyc78yc.Ln4L5hMcJQwpwZLSMZ.w4Uul3t BfxRd_q5YQGqvhem.U9rF2AwzppXUK0T04lmoWz6ymV1pwpgATnZwhYWP4la nW4Q94ns- Received: from [200.118.157.7] by web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:23:58 PST X-RocketYMMF: giffunip X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1325183038.93200.YahooMailClassic@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Pedro Giffuni To: Nathan Whitehorn In-Reply-To: <4EFC9745.3050901@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfg@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:37:44 -0000 =0A=0A--- Gio 29/12/11, Nathan Whitehorn ha scritt= o:=0A...=0A> =0A> I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and= =0A> especially =0A> specific suggestions for improvements. Except from peo= ple=0A> who are old =0A> hands at sysinstall, I've received almost universa= lly=0A> positive comments =0A> on the user experience. Patches would be eve= n more=0A> appreciated, since =0A> real life has intervened to steal most o= f my FreeBSD time.=0A> -Nathan=0A>=0A=0AFWIW;=0A=0AI have practically given= up on installing FreeBSD lately=0Aand I mostly use PC-BSD. I mainly see tw= o big issues:=0A=0A-X.Org has become very difficult to install. Setting up= =0Ahald and friends, not to mention that you have to choose=0Acarefully you= r hardware previously. It's a nightmare.=0A- I am OK with sysinstall disapp= earing: however it was=0Anice to have all the setup tools in one place. How= am=0AI supposed to install prebuilt packages (and the myriad=0Aof dependen= cies) from now on? Ports are cool but having=0Ato wait to rebuild gcc to be= able to use scilab is a=0Anonsense.=0A=0APC-BSD is not without problems th= ough. In my system=0Ait wants to use "latam" kbd which doesn't even=0Aexist= AFAICT.=0A=0AJust my $0.02, I know writing a replacement for the=0Afull bl= own sysinstall is a rather heroic thing to do.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0APedro.=0A