From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 18 02:06:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930EB37A for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from georgreilinger@yahoo.de) Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E5537D for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 02:06:16 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 02:06:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 02:06:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899599.69296.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 74702 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2013 02:06:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1358474775; bh=vKv/1r5P6nVOzlrPDDXvcGfIvH/c6ZLkIgQ23mVi91o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L411flmSnAcch/rN1sxGIZNlKNYu/cLtLUHVaneFTxHuW2695UMawncjAv8F0SukfwZVygwV496a0t1/r/BbhuqGN+mPe2OfkZYJuT7uX4y5kvb8WphHyql5dnhn5GRszueBXwQnCUafXFBc+a5Apm528RARctfqdc9yrSh/FrE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uQNtNsHw4j1Pc4+w+Wwd6o94+G/qymZeqD9TPY7fDPMQHTpYew4FDAsQVVuUUhtbq/jNfidY9vfORJIouiXtKfBNNqdBhliv6AGE8P7EWqglZ8kD1pj6c0dRqUiELeF2y+jjXPyUaghr6tXu7q/tfSZhSJoaHvAfxmo9v1YdbSM=; X-YMail-OSG: 42phx60VM1mxMVIns2WhHkczzdsc8Xdv_gdy2mHy_oRuswQ vUFdHnxqhI0ZQxAYQ0bfp2UDEnYkre1VU4qLztCZZBE72MCvfA_Yh.4gF18X OyiOZWrfZQiVuS.r1EJ_npjVgslxmifkMyAifFUlfcPCUxQwwLih3SbmyOUp CTElIm4xmR4ykSE86c0IulCz1wunQ_a4NjQmjCQmFtCbz2Cg08I1_esrb0n_ Mr2OnhxgxQNjClvabV63eqCQwWKZ6uMqkXCHlbRhnsw9qZ1uDGaIut.rnw1. kwuIbdu5kdMtAPR63ftDP4vCgealq6qgoBHakdLDrTuZcaxyhb4Dowo.yi9J Ck9UgoUWfuKp0aUGWYrHVbiA0JyOinf0ROHtNY7H9osQjXiHDZ2pPsLGSuZ0 UDq48B3aeYjeGHIBQNahC9WuYn4ddL5CsvPUzSEYCd.t0sNNDhRbDOpx7Phs X8xY6O1_Ak_T_q6gB.diA9JDqmdqmftpSS2U0bObGsEvoLDgnavN3Zv1POvb RbdiE_N0HuM0Iz5djiNiLzqpeFKc- Received: from [217.251.139.44] by web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:06:15 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001, CgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBWb246IFJhbGYgTWFyZG9yZiA8cmFsZi5tYXJkb3JmQHJvY2tldG1haWwuY29tPgpBbjogImZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIiA8ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc.IApHZXNlbmRldDogMjozNyBGcmVpdGFnLCAxOC5KYW51YXIgMjAxMwpCZXRyZWZmOiBSZTogRnJlZUJTRCA4LjIgd2l0aCBwcmUtYnVpbHQgS0RFIDMuNSBwYWNrYWdlIGZyb20gRnJlZUJTRCA3LjEgRFZEIAogCi0tIFNvbWUgZGVjaXNpb24BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: <1358472303.40523.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1358474775.74349.YahooMailNeo@web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:06:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Georg Reilinger Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD To: Ralf Mardorf In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Georg Reilinger List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:06:21 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Von: Ralf Mardorf =0AAn: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0AGesendet: 2:37 Freitag, 18.Januar 2013=0ABetreff: Re: Fr= eeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD =0A =0A-- Som= e decisions from upstream are a PITA. I'm from Linux, it's more up-to-date = than FreeBSD. On Linux I switched from KDE 3 to GNOME 2, when KDE 4 was int= roduced and from GNOME 2 to Xfce, when GNOME 3 was introduced.=0A=0AI have = tried both, GNOME and Xfce. Found both to be kinda yuckie. Not really feeli= ng at home here.=0A=0A=0A-- There are forks of GNOME 2, but I guess there's= no fork of KDE 3. =0A=0AActually there is. It is called Trinity: http://ww= w.trinitydesktop.org/ , but I don't know, if it is currently supported on F= reeBSD.=0AIf not, may be a reason, to become a porter!=0A=0A-- Some users c= laim that it should be possible to set up KDE 4, that it become equal to KD= E 3. I doubt that. =0A=0AI highly and holily second that. I have heard quit= e a few people complain about KDE 4's heavy hunger for resources.=0A=0A-- A= nother issue are hard dependencies, such as the dependency to the buggy pul= seaudio. You better get rid of KDE and start to accustom to another DE.=0A= =0AThis would be my very last option. As you can see, I am still working on= a go around here.=0A=0A=0A2 Cents,=0ARalf=0A______________________________= _________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lis= ts.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send an= y mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 18 02:11:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284CE439 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BF83C7 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 02:11:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.65] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 02:11:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 02:11:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1358475074; bh=+6c5JW/FWHs/u44BkPZOHJ+cmHORs5ZbwK3v41gzN88=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h0k+MauvRYgE13SGLplGvK6QxQiTrgXsukRToiOz2Ty66+HyijqoLhC1ccdRp4HWujyQMp6+k50830q6VbLnNtcfT1tTw5gU4oCQtU4p1VCDC4tayuunSaMpBECm5z+YkKUst+m6xeOMh6Maf9qBCJTOnxjND+isMlzjU0C9H2E= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 817589.3774.bm@smtp102.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _0K3BPcVM1nLSk4mOt_C.GUkKiFclj9bc1QPWhFnpzMVImv bxVmasKJsWr5w4txMVBKhgEzxrj91.nU.E5d.VeUuGFvw8zeht_Dx9osrqT8 jqEA1GSgRTPACM22fxHcRejAlIZ.aA83H2hKp66fI5HJ1_rL7Q_OtIQ._YdT h0aqwYIN1xYX6Xh7mnpLRklYu4NGe1yeb7XHBeJkyx3PKcX.Bm11xbvtgWem .2gW75.Uj8WbKv2PKJl2KJfZCLQylPtPEClL5YBdDM_86j5zw..t2HhJ20CY tLeMtXS_7uwAVzMN_ErdLpHJJC_SkfuSEgwb9ROkRr35hk5dBs4xT53wrvEZ eeT5p6yiJ6IL0JSUXl8.lBRa1RNWEkPmxcmT0n1TYnVkUnA4W5qWKj1zAyb4 uT2lKdDaFMqz1wP.bAoxF3XCTDHqkvbGxfiMjjucoBUcB4kBUSpH8RHOpvCA ai8yGYP1JrLy2XI8QbPZCgs1P1bNk1g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- Received: from europa (mike.jeays@173.33.93.170 with login) by smtp102.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2013 18:11:14 -0800 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:11:09 -0500 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD Message-ID: <20130117211109.458aeb2c@europa> In-Reply-To: <1358472303.40523.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1358472303.40523.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Georg Reilinger X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:11:22 -0000 On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Georg Reilinger wrote: > Hi everybody, > > > My issue is the following: > > As far as I know, FreeBSD has completely dropped support for KDE 3.5. > > Whether it's the ports, or the pkg_add precompiled binaries. Am I right in > > assuming this? > > > I am currently running a live version of FreeBSD 8.2 with KDE 4.8. The thing > > here is, that KDE 4 is simply too heavy for my system. For example: it is > > impossible for me to have two open shells at the same time. Once I exit a > > given shell, I can't open another one due to a lack of resources, even after having > > turned off all the extra stuff - plasma desktop, nepomuk... > > As a consequence, I can see myself do two possible things, to have a system > > running with KDE 3.5 once again: > > 1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the > > precompiled binaries that are on the DVD donwload version. > Judging by the release announcements, this should be 7.1. > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/announce.html > > This is something that I don't really feel like doing. > > 2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would like to keep it for > some time to come. In other words, is there a way to keep 8.2 and still > have KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone ever tried to > install a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on an 8.2 system? > Is that be possible? > > > Any other solutions? > > > Many thanks > Georg > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I run xfce4 with FreeBSD 9.0 on an old Pentium 4 with 1.5 GB, and it works well. Resource requirements are much less than the latest KDE, and Unity is even more unworkable. KDE and Gnome have got very bloated in the last few years, IMHO and less intuitive. They seem to be going backwards. The multiple desktop feature is one of the main things that set Unix-style desktops way ahead of Windows, and now they have become harder to use.