From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 16:06:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F8A16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prosporo.hedron.org (hedron.org [66.11.182.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B3843D58 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:06:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ean@hedron.org) Received: from www.hedron.org (localhost.hedron.org [127.0.0.1]) by prosporo.hedron.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE138C0D4 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.220.59.169 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ean); by www.hedron.org with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2569.216.220.59.169.1105114005.squirrel@216.220.59.169> In-Reply-To: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr> References: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Ean Kingston" To: java@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: FW: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:06:49 -0000 > Achilleus Mantzios wrote: >> First off, Good Year to anyone. >> >> I'd like to share my thoughts on the FreeBSD binary java distribution >> and the FreeBSD Foundation issue. >> >> I pretty much acklowledge the efforts of the FBSDF, as well as >> that the diablo jdk13 is the only one achievement of the FBSDF, at least >> as it presented >> in their site. Also ,the funding of Alexey's work was essential >> in the viability of the jdk14 port. >> >> However, as another person said, freebsd users >> only use the port and not the binary. >> And taking into account the many areas of need in the rest of >> the system in its current status (5-STABLE, CURRENT), >> i think it would make sense to save the money that was supposed >> to go to SUN, for funding development of other areas in the system. >> >> Most users are quite happy with jdk14 i suppose. > > Although I am one of those users happily using the jdk14 port, I can't > say that I find the situation satisfying. When I am trying to pitch a > Java solution on FreeBSD to a customer I have to ask them to have the > jdk preinstalled for me, since I can't legally redistribute it. Clients > who don't have an existing FreeBSD installation or don't care about the > solution's underlying OS (which is why they usually pick Java in the > first place), wonder why on earth they should not go with Linux instead. > > For developer's like myself the port is fine. For managers (either > selling or bying products) it is a nightmare. Personally, I consider > Alexey's financial support and the binary distribution license as the > most important thing that the FreeBSD Foundation has ever done for the > future of the community. I have to agree with Achilleus on all his points. The company I work for was making a similar decision a couple of years ago and not having a binary distribution of Java took FreeBSD right out of the running. Management takes the stance that if they can't get a binary for production use then the product is not sufficiently supported. So, I run SUN systems at work now.