From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 22 16:41:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6454A281 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 321AD18B7 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-8-230-52.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.230.52] helo=damnhippie.dyndns.org) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vum5G-000JKf-Av; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:40:54 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id rBMGepEC003201; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 09:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 24.8.230.52 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19QXTvdEx5ns/AQIA3bbhTF Subject: Re: PACKAGESITE spam From: Ian Lepore To: Steve Kargl In-Reply-To: <20131221232505.GA61672@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20131221200538.GA60827@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20131221201026.GB1730@glenbarber.us> <20131221201403.GB60827@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20131221210553.GA61158@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <52B60727.8090001@bluerosetech.com> <20131221213959.GA61238@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20131221221439.GA59524@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20131221230448.GA61511@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <52B62130.5060802@freebsd.org> <20131221232505.GA61672@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 09:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1387730451.1158.80.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:41:01 -0000 On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 15:25 -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:16:00AM +0100, Julien Laffaye wrote: > > On 12/22/2013 12:04 AM, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:14:39PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > >> this has been done and activated for reason, first for lot of companies, > > > companies can turn it on it they want it. > > > > And if you want to save the few extra kB, you can turn it off... > > I have turned it off. > > > >> secondly I receive tons of request to actiavte on by default while > > >> you are the first to request it off by default > > > I certainly can't refute 'tons of [private] requests'. There is > > > no discussing of such logging in freebsd-current, freebsd-hackers, > > > or freebsd-ports lists. > > > > > > Other than the noise in /var/log/message, what does this provide > > > that 'pkg info' doesn't! Please turn of this feature by default. > > > > > > > Actually, you are the one making noise... > > What does this logging in /var/log/message provide that is > not provided by 'pkg info'? It is useless noise. > "Useless noise" is what you get when someone holds an opinion that clearly nobody else agrees with, and yet they somehow think that just saying it over and over again will change peoples' minds. -- Ian