From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 14:02:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDB6106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143AD8FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYh4d-00068q-36; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:35 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYh4W-000GPe-2t; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7990F1.8010803@mapper.nl> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:25 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <4A798A9C.7010201@mapper.nl> <200908051446.02087.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200908051446.02087.david@vizion2000.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9" Cc: Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:02:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Southwell wrote: >> David Southwell wrote: >> =20 >>> Hi every one >>> >>> My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for= >>> systems with Intel Quad Core processors. >>> >>> It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean= why >>> does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> =20 >> One would use the amd64 version of FreeBSD on 64-bit platforms (apart >> from the itanium platforms). >> the amd64 or x86-64 instuction set has been designed by amd, which >> called it amd64. >> Intel implemented amd's design in their EM64T or "Intel 64" instructio= n >> set, which is compatible with amd's implementation(mostly IS amd's >> implementation). >> As such, amd64 is as valid a platform name as IA64(or Itanium) is. >> =20 > > That is undoubtably true -- what it also means is that both names are e= qually=20 > logical or illogical depending upon your point of view. > > My view is that both are equally illogical because they are tied to a=20 > manufacturer rather than to function. Names are best chosen to facilita= te=20 > selection by single step logic that encapsulates what the name represen= ts=20 > rather than by having an abstruse historical context that has neglible = bearing=20 > upon current function. > > my 2 p > > But lets not get worked up about this > > david > > > > =20 You make a good point. It would be more "logical" and maybe even more "correct" to call it x86-64. This would however imply that any x86-64 implementation is supported. This is probably the case now, though i am unsure if freeBSD amd64 works on for instance via platforms. Since x86-64 isn't exactly an ISO standard, and amd64 is(http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm= ?csnumber=3D43784), it's not strange to name the branch that has been developed to work on amd's implementation of x86-64 is called amd64. Besides, I am a real AMD fanboy when it comes to processors... so why would I want that? ;-) --------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp5kPQACgkQN9xNqOOVnWD3DwCeI645E7FcgC54ifT0E4llA2WY 06IAoITUaJnZ8Cqpy/5lzQj5iBxavkdL =1yqF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9--