From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 24 15:19:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14189 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14148; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21681; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Terry Lambert cc: hm@kts.org, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCVT's death In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:10:27 -0000." <199806242110.OAA15856@usr04.primenet.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:19:24 -0700 Message-ID: <21676.898726764@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry, you're the only guy I know who could cite references while arbitrating a nude arm-wrestling contest in a pit of lime jello. I remove my cap, sir! :-) In the meantime, could everyone else kindly just shut up about this one already? Yeesh! One war a month is enough, you know? There has been enough core team upheavel already this quarter and anyone else staging a walk-out will have to wait until Autumn at the very minimum. :) - Jordan > > Have you ever heard of c-o-o-p-e-r-a-t-i-o-n ? Thats a behaviour which is > > fundamentally different to dictate. > > I disagree. > > Nonlinear Dynamics, Mathematical Biology, and Social Science > Joshua M. Epstein > Sante Fe Studies in the Sciences of Complexity > Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc. > ISBN: 0-201-41988-2 > > Specifically, chapter 3: > > Imperfect Collective Security and Arms Race Dynamics: Why > a Little Cooperation Can Make a Big Difference. > > In the discussions: > > (1) High Connectivity With Low Strength > > vs. > > (2) Low Connectivity With Higher (But Still Very Low) Strength > > vs. > > (3) GLOBOCOP > > Even in the face of the existance of a core team ("GLOBOCOP"), it is > possible to achieve a high degree of net good, even if the GLOBOCOP > actors fail to back down from their initial defense level as a result > of a percieved external threat ("we fear change"). > > Even though the ideal in this case is (1), and less so, (2), instead of > the (3) FreeBSD implements (as the relaxation to the base defense level > takes longer through non-participation, there is a tendency for the > actors to fragment into smaller defensive groups, cv. the *BSD splits and > non-mergers), it's still possible to achieve a large amount of net good > simply by radical inaction. > > "Never substitute activity for action" > -- Seneca, Letters From a Stoic, 4 AD - 65 AD > > > My advice: > > 1) Leave PCVT alone until absolutely necessary > > 2) Confer on the absoluteness of teh necessity before acting > > 3) Act on consensus, if possible, on reason, if not. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message