From nobody Wed Aug 6 09:30:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bxlR004jKz63SwJ; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bxlQz3xmJz3KYR; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 11:30:54 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Graham Perrin , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "postmaster@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <311e4b5b-86ea-44f0-9418-d319b97634f0@gmail.com> References: <8690FF2F-B66D-423E-815C-9D64700A7D7D@yahoo.com> <311e4b5b-86ea-44f0-9418-d319b97634f0@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754472660; bh=Q0f7xfybcMuM1ceJNKaXO/hHHrXNcNJaQBl8U9W56fA=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ll49to5DXlzjF/2DvIU8WHHDL8NV3Qj0lGIv/g2tGInst66a7GmCI7R+dwLf/lRUX y61fEwdX+pVnVJzex6nq5uuMvUiE4EqKtm3PJKHXCX9zFM9NfMCjQBFqsWUBZ6BEv+ 56Wk/Jn1pp6eirl8P5+yrZwPfFESRBgpqSQYezUw= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bxlQz3xmJz3KYR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] > lowercase, please. I always used PKGBASE when I refer to this technology and I will continue t= o do so. Limited raw email allows only lowercase, Title Case or UPPERCASE. If UPPERC= ASE is problematic for you then maybe you should switch to platforms that a= llow more sophisticated ways of text formating with bold/italic/underline f= eatures. > Off-topic from the four lists: it's known > that following instructions, whilst taking > the linked approach, can break the OS. > Breakage is not particularly safe. Instructions work as desired - I upgraded dozens of systems this way over a= decade and not a single one break. ZFS Boot Environments were literally designed to work that way - to create = upgrade within new not running BE: - https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/E24456/betools-6.html#betools-3 ... and even IF they would break anything - the only thing they would break= would be separately created ZFS Boot Environment and NOT the host system i= tselt. Read more about ZFS Boot Environments - how they work - what they pr= ovide - and stop spreading that misinformation if you do not understand how= they work. =20 > With regard to rule-breaking,=20 Citing The Matrix movie: "Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken." The FreeBSD Base System is one of THE core FreeBSD values and features. It = is really important to make sure that PKGBASE - as much as I like the conce= pt - will not break it. For this important concern of mine that PKGBASE mus= t find some way to preserve Base System independence from regular third par= ty packages I addressed all Mailing Lists that are related to this problem = - and they are: - freebsd-stable - freebsd-current - freebsd-pkg - freebsd-pkgbase As that seemed logical and reasonable. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-06 3:41 Nadawca: "Graham Perrin" <grahamperrin@gmail.com> Adresat: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org;=20 DW: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org; freebsd-current@fr= eebsd.org; postmaster@freebsd.org;=20 >=20 > > On 04/08/2025 19:47, vermaden wrote: >> =E2=80=A6 Not related to PKGBASE >=20 > lowercase, please. >=20 > pkgbase >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 safer =E2=80=A6 https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2021/02/23/upgrade-freebsd-with-zfs-boot-env= ironments/ =E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 > Off-topic from the four lists: it's known that following instructions, > whilst taking the linked approach, can break the OS. Breakage is not=20 > particularly safe. >=20 > The four lists are not the places for a debate. >=20 > With regard to rule-breaking,=20 > =20 > could have been taken as a reminder that no posting should be made to=20 > more than 2 mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear and obvious need > to post to both lists exists. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20