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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: uoguelph.ca X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 0e977a3f-2208-4ad8-684b-08d7dcce854a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Apr 2020 21:39:45.3014 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: be62a12b-2cad-49a1-a5fa-85f4f3156a7d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: s03T61v0o1INtaXecC5o1q14NyE5mSxDwl05Dw+jaqqUizMI9bRcNR3qOLeniftc3fkjR2nba8nRmtbq6NVpDg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: QB1PR01MB2962 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48yvgR2c3bz4KQr X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 21:39:47 -0000 Ed Maste wrote:=0A= >Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience=0A= >with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop:=0A= >https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-review-f= reebsd-12-1-release/=0A= >=0A= >There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding,=0A= >but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience=0A= >a new (or newish) desktop FreeBSD user will have. It will be a good=0A= >idea for us to examine these, and offer advice or corrections if=0A= >appropriate, and otherwise look how we can improve the FreeBSD=0A= >experience for new users.=0A= Since this is a public mailing list, I'll repost here...=0A= =0A= One thought here that I'll throw out (I have no idea if others have suggest= ed=0A= this before)=85=0A= What about creating a separate release for desktops/laptops that installs= =0A= X Windows etc from a simple installer "out of the box"?=0A= --> To keep it simple, don't try to support all hardware, just stuff that i= s widely=0A= available and already well supported by the drivers in FreeBSD.=0A= Obviously amd64 only plus a few widely available display chip sets th= at work=0A= well, etc and so on...=0A= =0A= If it doesn't support the hardware someone has, then they can go the regula= r=0A= release/install route. (It would be nice to maintain an up to date list of = what=0A= hardware it supports, but it might be easier to just have it start up live = CD=0A= style and then see if the hardware it needs is there.=0A= --> Sorry, can't do this display chipset to that sound chip or...=0A= =0A= Just an idea, rick=0A= ps: I am not volunteering to help do this. I run FreeBSD on laptop/desktop= =0A= systems, but bare bones. No X Windows...=