From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 2 22:54:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2BF16A41C for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:54:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuval_levy@yahoo.com) Received: from web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8ABCD43D49 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:54:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuval_levy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90077 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2005 22:54:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E1lQwWjAfaAhLsvXvxbjI97qYE1W2A6lz3hB8Eg7AbwsA+tHReJyt/pNWoMH+r9lCmTYQA/zmlFWEGVyf0z+FQGO8hsgzlo7YC/7E6w7cqJ6tDq4MTHuSQ1OoqL1uiTplVJngf8vBYR+/O1JkAWniVfUN/dvQYI849UeNFXfkdI= ; Message-ID: <20050602225453.90075.qmail@web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.134.226.245] by web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:54:53 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: yuval levy To: "J. T. Farmer" In-Reply-To: <429F8974.2020101@goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users , Dick Davies Subject: Re: filesystems not properly unmounted X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:54:54 -0000 --- "J. T. Farmer" wrote: > yuval levy wrote: > > >--- Dick Davies > wrote: > > > >>* Yuval Levy [0647 15:47]: > >> > >> > >>>Is it possible to fix this issue? from the > >>> > >>> > >>description it seems to me > >> > >> > >>>that the issue got worse since freebsd 5.3 > >>> > >>> > >>(assuming Maxi's root > >> > >> > >>>partition is ufs2). > >>> > >>> > >>If it's a pain to remeber, maybe try sticking > >>something in rc.shutdown? > >> > >> > >Thank you for trying to help, but I do not find > this > >reply helpful. That's a quick and dirty fix, not a > >solution. > > > >How would you feel if your car dealer would tell > you > >that the car is just fine, you only have to > remember, > >every time before you start it, to chew a gum and > >stick the chewing gum on that little hole from > where > >some liquid spills before you start it? > > > >Quick and dirty fixes are ok for the short term, > but > >this issue has been around for too long. I wish I > had > >the knowledge to fix it... > > > > > > Bad analogy. It's not his responsibility to fix it > either temporary > or permanent. He's more like a another driver (just > like you, > driving a similar car/OS) that is passing by. He's > suggesting > a way for you to function (eg, get home) until a > better/permanent > fix is found. > > John I did not imply it was his responsibility to fix the issue. Like you say, John, he is like another driver driving a similar car. We are both stuck with this issue. But I was talking of those driver considering this car model. Would you buy a car that is known to have issues? Anyway, I am just trying to stirr some talk and get some attention to an issue which I find important. Maybe somebody with the appropriate skills will read this and fix the issue. In my opinion, an O/S that can not handle the most popular file systems is handicapped in a world of increasing diversity. Even worse, in my opinion, is a O/S that has tools to handle a file system but does it in a way that can result in data loss. Users like me will see it as an O/S fault and will move to another O/S. As I stated when I first got into this issue, it is temporary for me since the machine affected will be migrated to UFS once the new RAID subsystem is installed. Nevertheless I believe that the issue is a serious handicap and should be fixed. I do not have the skills to fix it, else I'd give it a try. Is there anybody out there that know how to fix the problem of ext2 partitions in freebsd? Yuv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com