From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 12 16:29:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DD41065670 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076718FC20 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7CGTNCZ003879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:29:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <48A1BA5E.2050000@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:29:18 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Lambrev References: <78cb3d3f0808120810o54f49373n69ac5076c9a9c9b7@mail.gmail.com> <20080812115132.44b2e8f7@mbook.local> <48A1B641.6080407@moneybookers.com> In-Reply-To: <48A1B641.6080407@moneybookers.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Adrian Penisoara , wbentley@futurecis.com Subject: Re: If not the force, what should I use? (Was: FreeBSD in Business (was Re: Idea for FreeBSD)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:25 -0000 Stefan Lambrev wrote: > > > Mike Meyer wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:10:22 +0200 "Adrian Penisoara" >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> While we're at it, I wish we could leverage the posibility for the >>>>>>> admin to manually start the service at the CLI, no matter >>>>>>> whether the >>>>>>> service has been enabled or not -- that is the "_enable" >>>>>>> keyword >>>>>>> should have effect only in the bootup/automatic contexts. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Like keywords - forcestart forcerestart forcestop ?!?! >>>>>> >>>>> Yes, I am always reminded of that :). >>>>> Well, to tell you the truth, I do not know of any other OS which >>>>> requires prefixing with "force" the start/stop actions in order to >>>>> act >>>>> on the service at the command line, and personally I wish it weren't >>>>> the case. >>>>> >>>> Well I bet you can find this in most linux distros that copy >>>> FreeBSD. What >>>> about gentoo? >>>> >>> Umm, I have used Gentoo and I do not remember having to use >>> "forcestart" at the command line... >>> >> >> Ok, given that you 1) want to have both "XXXX this service if it's >> part of our normal runtime" and "XXXX this service even if it's not >> part of our normal runtime" as script commands, and that 2) XXXX >> without a prefix gets the "if it's part of our normal runtime" >> meaning, as we want the user to have to explicitly say "Yes, I know >> this looks odd, but I know what I'm doing so do it anyway" to get the >> "even if it's not part of our normal runtime" behavior, then what >> would you have us use instead of "forceXXXX"? >> >> Personally, I think "start -f" or "start --force" might have been >> better, but it's to late to fix such a minor thing. >> > I think the idea (behind not using force) is to implement something > like in RH where there is a number of folders (for every run level) > populated with links to the real rc scripts which are in /etc/init.d/ > and when you type /etc/init.d/script start it will be started > but the boot up rc.scripts will never do start on /etc/init.d/ itself > only on the folder with links. > It's not much better (or worse?) then the current system in freebsd, > so I do not see why we should bother. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init I hate sysV style init myself, half of why I moved to *BSD Vince