From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 22 12:25:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82DE106566C for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@chronos.org.uk) Received: from chronos.org.uk (chronos-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:12b::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0588FC08 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from workstation1.localnet (workstation1.local.chronos.org.uk [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:12b::20]) (authenticated bits=0) by chronos.org.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8MCPL4Y003231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:25:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matt@chronos.org.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 chronos.org.uk n8MCPL4Y003231 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=chronos.org.uk; s=mail; t=1253622321; bh=jpQ2svNuMYeBXaQbZgPh8b4TIRN9TFq5Vx7DKzYt7ZE=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=EodcqH/TU83/BhVcOU3YizorqFYihbBrhlCP1+34k8vOnOQ8BG2Iaaqp/Lbc7fpYm U0Od2YF/GiXk5o8GN+Dv/0ayyCnlVpyCG03zIwAnTS43q/5o/+9d7bZxJS+ntWrC+B 2KhmEA6ifYYTqXXLxNCFvVaIbOO0gCWNwGqlTbz8= From: Matt Dawson To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:25:19 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.3.1; amd64; ; ) References: <20090921112657.GW95398@hoeg.nl> <20090922082344.GA64877@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <37B47737-E4A4-4CF3-9DAA-B0F0A4CC8901@van-laarhoven.org> In-Reply-To: <37B47737-E4A4-4CF3-9DAA-B0F0A4CC8901@van-laarhoven.org> X-Face: Uq{{&_!oO{M&ydj?-f%{D]bN7/|/]a+utod35[+IyH#R>F~YPffK,=?utf-8?q?=25=60=7D=25=0A?=FTMbmzo,]0X3K:N&{h7],FI{?EkORzB; f:V3"vKXsUNw5Yh`}ef4MZ*a4,=?utf-8?q?ObuJ=5F=26=5B1S=27zP=5CK0wcKZP=0A?==?utf-8?q?_=60=23L=25=5Dq*OUPQ-4T=3FHZ=7EAKX0=7D3W=25o=3DP?= X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (chronos.org.uk [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:12b::1]); Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:25:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at central.local.chronos.org.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on central.local.chronos.org.uk Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:25:32 -0000 On Tuesday 22 Sep 2009 12:06:42 you wrote: > Our package system is a tremendous asset, and wholeheartedly agree > with Doug on this. So my vote is now a -1. Not that anyone cares. I do. These arguments have changed my mind. Having read most of these replies, and already put my size 10 in with a +1, I've been forced to reconsider due to the overwhelming evidence that most everyone wants a minimal base system and the cogent arguments to keep base clean and free of outdated code. Coupled with the ease of updating ports, can I change my opinion to "keep them all in ports," please? Now I know tmux is there, simply adding it to my local "install this lot first" metaport will work just as well. -- Matt Dawson MTD15-RIPE matt@chronos.org.uk