From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 15 19:28:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: performance@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC45316A412; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723CD43D4C; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:28:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (phobos.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9FJSWV0095084; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <45328BDE.9040907@samsco.org> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:28:30 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060910 SeaMonkey/1.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: danial_thom@yahoo.com References: <20061015174750.13249.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061015174750.13249.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Mark Linimon , Kip Macy , FreeBSD Stable , performance@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:28:42 -0000 Danial Thom wrote: > > --- Mark Linimon wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:57:32AM -0700, >> Danial Thom wrote: >>> Stating facts is not trolling. >> true, but ... >> >>> The fact that you may not want to hear it is >> your own problem [...] >>> You can't keep promoting this junk they're >> putting out. You can't just >>> keep kicking the Matt Dillons out of the camp >> because they think that >>> your design is a piece of crap. At some point >> you have to come to terms >>> with the fact that your kernel design stinks >> [...] >> >> ... *is*. >> >> I think there are valid points to be made about >> 4.X vs 5.X vs 6.X (which >> is why, for the sake of being informative, I >> wrote an article about it). >> Performance was also discussed extensively at >> BSDCan, and a lot of work was >> done on improvements and ideas were discussed >> for the next steps to make >> (e.g.: actual work, not just talk). This work >> is continuing. >> >> But as long as you keep the above tone, I and >> everyone else who is actually >> doing the work to advance the project will just >> ignore you; because, frankly, >> there's too much work to do and in any case, >> life is just too short. (I >> intend to do just that from now on, so I will >> not be adding any more to this >> thread. You may have the "last word", if that >> kind of thing is important to >> you.) >> >> Finally, if you think Matt's design and/or >> ability to accept criticism is >> better than ours, then DragonFly is clearly a >> better choice for you. > > Dragonfly will be a better choice for everyone in > a year or so, but as of now there are no choices. > > The *tone* is caused by the entire user base > being lied to over and over, "performance is > addressed in the next release", yada, yada, yada. > Those of us in the know are tired of it. You're > wasting a lot of our time testing this crap over > and over. > > So stop lying. Stop allowing Kris Kennaway to BS > everyone on the questions list over and over and > calling anyone who speaks the truth a troll. Fess > up to your debacle publically because you're > affecting people's businesses with your lying, > trying to cover your asses and refusing to admit > that you are just rambling cluelessly about. > There isn't one person on that team that knows > how to fix what's wrong, and you're using > thousand of people trying to run businesses as > guinea pigs. > > Thats why some of us have a *tone* > > DT > Congrats, you are the second entry in my permanent kill file. Scott