From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 9 22:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20250 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20183; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from execpc.com (indobok-72.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.87.72]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.8.8) id AAA07978; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:33:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by execpc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00226; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:32:26 -0500 From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980410003226.ZM225@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:32:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: John Kenagy "Re: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet"" (Apr 10, 12:01am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: John Kenagy , Open Systems Networking Subject: Re: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" Cc: questions freebsd , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like this guy. He has the hair on your ass attitude to get the job done. I too am an "olde fart', haven't flogged many systems, but I understand marketing. One question, what the hell are you doing in Texas? If you were in the Mid-West I'd like to work with you. Regards, Frank On Apr 10, 12:01am, John Kenagy wrote: > Subject: Re: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" > My response to everything bing said. > > Yesss!!! To all!!! > > I'm an olde fart ex-system flogger from way back. All of what everyone > is saying is needed. It is marketing, marketing, marketing.... It does > *not matter* how good your product is. You *will* be run over by a > big marketing machine. > > But when it is real good, like FreeBSD, you do have something that > treated right, could be a silver bullet. > > 1. Pedigree. When I got back to playing with computers & began looking > about for something like vi to edit with under windows, I found Linux. > "A unix like..." Then stumbled across FreeBSD, a joke? Well, reading > further, I discovered emacs and a lot of other stuff I recognized. > But, what pulled me in was the BSD pedigree, and that *alone*! > > I may get flamed for this but I cannot think of Linux as anything > more than a cute little pc os. I don't run games. I *did* have to > support customers whose livelyhood depended on their computers > running every day - no exceptions. That meant a real OS with real > depth. > > Any operating system whose kernel is controlled by one person, > libraries provided by second, third, fourth parties or *whatever*, > and applications from yet other sources, well that is a recipe > for failure. I had to learn that lesson the hard way. > > Your operating system should be invisible, flawless, and > d-e-p-e-n-d-a-b-l-e. This FreeBSD is a "lead pipe" cinch winner. > I cannot say it has *ever* failed in almost two years of using it. > > I was one of the first AT&T value added resellers in Los Angeles. > I cannot make the same claim of dependability about the SV based > accounting systems we sold. Period. > > 2. Dependable. Users can be as "bleeding edge" or as conservative > as they wish. Dependability is available with FreeBSD. Linux is... > I'm not sure where. I think a mirage. > > So, you've got pedigree and dependability. You need suits. PR and > an appeal to the conservative and corporate. I'm going to cast about > here in Austin and see what I can discover. > > All I need is a heartbeat and a dialtone. > > John > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from John Kenagy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message