From nobody Sun Oct 31 04:45:39 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F7D182A354 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 04:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhay@meraka.org.za) Received: from marge.meraka.csir.co.za (marge.meraka.csir.co.za [IPv6:2001:4200:7000:3::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4HhkBm1rNRz3KCJ for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 04:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhay@meraka.org.za) Received: from marge.meraka.csir.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marge.meraka.csir.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0482AEFC for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 06:45:56 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at meraka.org.za Received: from marge.meraka.csir.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by marge.meraka.csir.co.za (marge.meraka.csir.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a_kPXXqk97-Q for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 06:45:54 +0200 (SAST) Received: from mail-pj1-f41.google.com (mail-pj1-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-384) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by marge.meraka.csir.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 06:45:54 +0200 (SAST) Received: by mail-pj1-f41.google.com with SMTP id o6-20020a17090a0a0600b001a64b9a11aeso2910098pjo.3 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2021 21:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530LeEnlRf8w85mq5rYTYmaEInP3VJVPUse+06XXIE2gDsF+yopk k2CaWOX0wu/pRjGw4Pv/AvrIWMxu/bCByjrn+3okNQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJydG4qr/BNRWxKa4YyBaLipTjBdxTVY0ZzH2auOMPNuT1peWTpI2iKFEd8FCopzdCxRpyG0GBBhpWE2TOCwajg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:228c:b0:141:ab58:ab56 with SMTP id b12-20020a170903228c00b00141ab58ab56mr12010130plh.75.1635655550299; Sat, 30 Oct 2021 21:45:50 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: John Hay Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 06:45:39 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed To: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000d08d505cf9ebc16" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HhkBm1rNRz3KCJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhay@meraka.org.za designates 2001:4200:7000:3::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jhay@meraka.org.za X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jhay]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:4200:7000:3::1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meraka.org.za]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.216.41:received]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2018, ipnet:2001:4200:7000::/48, country:ZA] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: Y --0000000000000d08d505cf9ebc16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 17:38, Warner Losh wrote: > Greetings, > > Given that the number of available and useful armv6 boards has fallen to > almost zero, the time has come to look hard at armv6. > > There's a number of options. > > 1. Keep it as is. This will only happen if there's a lot more users than we > think (and we think there's nearly zero users of FreeBSD 13 and newer that > would want to run FreeBSD 14). > > 2. Stop building packages. Given it's small to non-existent user base, it > makes no sense to provide a package building service for it. > 2a. We should likely do this anyway for all stable branches since it's a > net negative in terms of cost/benefit analysis: lots of effort to produce, > very little use. > > 3. Disconnect it from universe: This will mean it will rot, though. It's a > necessary step in removal. > > 4. Remove support for armv6 in base entirely. This will orphan any RPiB and > RPi0 users out there. However, the RPiB hasn't been sold in a few years, > and the RPI0's connectivity is severely lacking given no SDIO support. > > So, which of these steps do we do before FreeBSD 14 and which before > FreeBSD 15? > > My vote would be to do 1-4 for 14 including 2a. > I'm using a RPI-B+ running 13.0-RELEASE. It is running permanently reading my electricity meter and sending it back via WIFI and IPv6 to my main computer. I normally upgrade to the next release when it is out. Normally by popping out the SD card and dd-ing a new image on it. I do not use any packages on that one. So my preference would be to have releases built and I am not too worried about packages. Regards John > Warner > --0000000000000d08d505cf9ebc16--