From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Feb 11 14:11:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C968BCDA0B3 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DDFE71 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B23B1CDA0B2; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DEECDA0B1 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73A5CE6F for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ccYOI-000N1F-Dp; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:11:06 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:11:06 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: scratch65535@att.net Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <20170211141106.GS13006@home.opsec.eu> References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <20170209161249.GL2092@kib.kiev.ua> <20170209162600.GP13006@home.opsec.eu> <20170210164615.GQ13006@home.opsec.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:11:07 -0000 Hi! > >> But it's the velocity that's the problem, Kurt. > >While I very much sympathize with "The world rotates too fast, > >I want to get off", for me it looks like as a project we do > >not have alternatives. > > Why not? What would happen to fBSD that's not already happening? Maybe if other folks do not share your analysis that the fbsd world is loosing market/mindshare etc, they come to different conclusions on what they want from the system. > Why aren't people asking what's going on and how to turn it > around? Could it be because they're too busy being busy? My impression is they are busy innovating, and that is good and I thank them for it. > >Is it defense, if we see many projects (open source etc) > >shorten their cycle time (e.g. php7), because they see the need to > >add features or patch security issues (and breaks APIs/ABIs doing either) ? > > It seems more like an excuse than a defence, to me. Is it > pushing Linux back? If not, what *would* push Linux back? As I asked on the other mail: How do you measure this ? [Pathologising others] is not very friendly. > But change is possible, even for adults. So, we're changing a lot and now we hear you complain about those changes. Can you try to describe some changes that would help both groups (those that need innovation and those that need stability) ? > But that doesn't mean we're currently doing the right things to > regain share from Linux and save FreeBSD. Is this really a us-vrs-them thing ? I don't see it that way. There is innovation all across the board and to be able to co-innovation, certain things need to be done. In the base system and in the ports tree. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 3 years to go !