From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Feb 17 06:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01393 for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:36:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01356 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA27744; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:35:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA12404; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:35:34 -0600 (CST) To: John Goerzen Cc: stephen farrell , John Kenagy , Vincent Defert , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Linux References: From: stephen farrell Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 17 Feb 1998 08:35:34 -0600 In-Reply-To: John Goerzen's message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:49:08 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: <87yazapadl.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 61 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Goerzen writes: > On 15 Feb 1998, stephen farrell wrote: > > > John Goerzen writes: > > > > > minor. IMHO, the only exception to this is Debian's package management > > > system, which is far superior to FreeBSD's. However, there's nothing > > > > ???? What the freak are you talking about? Even debian advocates HATE > > it's package management system. If you switch that sentence to read: > > Stephen, > > As somebody that routinely monitors both Linux and FreeBSD mailing lists, > you are quite incorrect. Well, I have had nothing but pain using dselect, and nothing but pleasure using ports. And I KNOW that I am not alone. I was involved in a long thread about this a few months ago, and there were plenty of debian people who agreed that dselect was awful. if you really care, look it up on dejanews. I agree that freebsd binary packages are not always up-to-date, and this is bad. But ports is wonderful and extremely well maintained; much more than debian packages, and with cron and cvsup, I can find every package I ever want on my own disk and compile and install it with zero trouble. (I'm not sure why they don't have a cronjob running at fbsd to build packages of all of the ports...) I had a friend trying to install KDE beta 3 on a debian box. It was too much of a pain so he stopped--first you needed to track down all of the various packages it depends upon, install these, then run play wiht dpkg trying to guess which of the debian packages to install first. EVEN THOUGH THE PACKAGE IT NEEDED WAS IN THE CWD, DPKG DOESN'T FIND IT. So he just didn't bother. under freebsd (and do I need to remind you that kde is not officially supported under freebsd), I do cd /usr/ports/x11/kde make all install and I'm done. Here's another example. Install the latest GIMP under debian linux vs. under freebsd. w/freebsd: cd /usr/ports/graphics/gimp-devel make all install -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message