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Date:      Fri, 4 May 2001 10:29:49 +0200 (CEST)
From:      Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it
To:        Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.demon.nl>
Cc:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, <Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it>, <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: vector: 0x670
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.4.33.0105041028310.13456-100000@nikita.fi.infn.it>
In-Reply-To: <20010502203706.E1339@freebie.demon.nl>

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Hi all thanks a lot for yoyur valuable help.
I Think it might be a problem due to over heating.
I removed the dissipator and when I did it hte machine crashed after a few
minutes with the machien check 0x670 error... I will change dissipator
size and will add special glue for disipation between the CPU and
dissipator and I will add a fan and let you know what is going to happen.
Now hte CPU is so hot that  Icannot even try to put my finger over it!!

Rick


 On Wed, 2 May
2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:37:06 +0200
> From: Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.demon.nl>
> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
> Cc: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: vector: 0x670
>
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 06:27:38PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > 670     Processor Uncorrectable   unrecoverable cache or TLB errors, or
> > >                                   read of a non-existent I/O space
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you think it can be an error due to overheating or do I have to throw
> > > my AlphaStation away ??
> >
> > No quick answers, but some things to try, and some advice and
> > opinions...
> >
> >
> > A cache error means that the processor is bad, if it's L1 cache;
> > this could be the result of overheating.  If it's L2 cache, the
> > cause could still be overheating, but I've seen a lot of people
> > trying to use cache chips that were too slow.
>
> I don't recall which AS version this was, but most of the have
> SMD soldered on caches. Some have cache modules, some cache SIMMs.
> In case of cache modules of any shape or form please check if they
> are seated well.
>
> > - If it's overheating, that's usually the result of overclocking,
> > either intentionally, or unintentionally.  Make sure you are not
> > doing that.
>
> Easily tested by trying if your fingers get fried when touching the
> heatsink.
>
> > You might also be using memory which is too slow, or has fake
> > parity instead of real parity (don't do that).  Slow memory
> > tends to become more of an issue when you stick in a lot of it,
> > since the DMA refresh doesn't get around to each bank in time;
> > this is particularly problematic if you are doing heavy I/O,
> > so that the memory bus is latched for DMA, and refresh is thus
> > delayed really long due to bus hold times; this is usually
> > possible to adjust in the drivers or controller configurations
> > and is often called "bus on" time.
>
> *Very* unlikely. Alpha machines are built to really drive lots
> of memory. Not this whimpy PC stuff that drives only 4 SIMMs/DIMMs
> from a single ASIC.
>
> > - I've occasionally loaded a machine with too much memory for
> > it to reasonably handle refresh, given the memory bus speed
> > and the bus-on time for some PCI controllers (I had an Adaptec
> > that was a bus hog; when I loaded the disk subsystem with the
> > extra amount of RAM, the refresh failed, and the system lost
> > its mind).
>
> Again, unlikely.
>
> > A TLB error means that the contents of a Translation Lookaside
> > Buffer are incorrect.  This could be a kernel bug.
>
> Or the CPU is dead/dying. Seen that before..
>
> --
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