From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 28 08:14:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2D815DB9CF for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic301-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic301-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B109F8E9BF for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: utbHX.AVM1m7Ex_86i0uRyLmhrEZr5RUstTem__SuFAqr8APBh554NLZwYFasG9 .YwsNIQFg7cL2bqYfkYNHnLhNeMM5tP4FkMT802xGMMZMKdArK_jAVrqDUlewRaxQ_B3pRiGxZ91 yWIi2dZqphhgsdHm_VjyeVmrW9lVgPDHuhopj2brRObL2C5_kpqqLGTu8HWoX0bBYZpm4Z.yiDBL 93QTh.7vTdZXSyspEDnCerIojaIu7_jRiMz2OJYHXCAzmCZLzqafIod_1b3lIuRM3penGkW76RWG UIJGq0cfcMZLbhv0r7UGMXyj2PIZSv4ItjJFGpdWMy5noUBbFg2IDWnHu2KneGyzBH_85pCo5eEh vR1ruMQpqPk8Usx6ZhZbJGvkPNPPQ9r5m5gMTwdY4tZRW6dlILqlC3EQ0Gh9BlYqxZf0h51DMDGr AB_UFPV9Tp1tNt1.H_fCDOzaOpTy13kC4r8.Q1GOXo1l.cqCoHf.bwcXF1FCo5rcMu1YSyJVbrku IW0_v.baAw9onMWuWz6KKQ0B2wsbOjIFcIn7U_8GaHIAeVPbgkZek.A94obAhBGJZaQXuOnPEOeS 5cYTvQnZOf454C0kH_IaRoDKCo0TgU5yM4mRExB.g9.CyIWpTXz2m5NgXtx3TqAzXXboETUAPJ5z Dqv7Z5Tzg0onKb9TDqUPF5H1ubbBpTJaJmmU4dm0FX0DCTp6oLUyXOOVCPImB1IDfNd6k6y.xQRi eqsVcd2Xv1LsYik2Ed4d2u5hyIS.pw7Jlt.jmax8qFqQtNJDR_UUiuYPS3Sg15xg6Ys4ky0vlbrn OpwM7zydwNmTRmxBqBOqWn6QlUSAJ9K7_ZWpy6vAdcZUFZ9xGEbPwqhfVQqbhx8S993.6mTCHpVM sQdft9sRwyJnvXSDWj4YgeVU7UA.Kj9lRIupl0fOgMtwewU1GlK.358jk8lCdthzNXeXaiGcn.rA KHuh3ZuCAiFLMO0vty.OuurA6ZFTELyg.RhdPF3jO5dkZ6rHHmg9yKCLHalsyb7C8uaFR9vXD_.0 S651I.IPPp0mYXpay8kes6mKUTv_Hx9E3XSgSR_VU0Eb.D6LAq3tYnvUBYN.td7aOqESXkCVJSC_ vkEwX4vJrX.J._3RDgpeasWSBSORl72cvJ_qiC_12pkEIKGWjB_EoraJCJkzHHUcokhwxlAg1h8p Q4cskzS35C0JAw3t0ruf2O70eM4dMwQUnw4TFNUF2_iR1mKJ8SIECRl.tWSrOT.AEEQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:21 +0000 Received: from x4e31604e.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.49.96.78]) by smtp403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID cd9d0d5422b218877d887d4c173c079e for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 10:14:17 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I've got a major question... 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A rent model could be ok for gear with mechanical parts that require maintenance work. A rent model could be ok, if you need every 10 years a hammer, for just one day. A rent model could be ok, if I need a book for a week. A rent model could be ok, for online software, that needs security updates. If I need a book for ever, because I like to add hand written notes. I will pay for the book and I expect that I always have got access to the book. I don't want a cloud service, I just want to draw pictures and produce music and I want to store the data at home. I expect that the apps and the operating system don't have serious bugs and if there should be bugs, I expect to get repair work for free as in beer. I'm willing to buy the software, I'm willing to buy new features, I don't need security updates for software, that is not security related. I expect that access to everything humans need is as much socially acceptable as possible. "Needed" is more than just what humans need to stay alive. It's unfortunately impossible to give away everything for free. However, if somebody works to get a piano, maybe a virtual software piano, nobody should come and take the piano away, when the owner becomes a retired person, unable to continue paying the rent for the piano. It should be possible to buy the piano or virtual piano, so that it is possible to continue using it in less good times. We know what speculator whim has done to rental prices for shelter. In Germany a lot of persons on average wage are already unable to pay for their apartment. Nowadays it is nearly impossible to get layout markers, screen tone and all that material anymore, the world changed, it is replaced by software. If you provide software and rent software layout markers, software screen tone etc. you might think it's the same as it was for paying for real markers etc., but no it isn't, we still need to pay for the hardware, you still need to replace tips of tablet pencils etc., you even need to replace hardware that is still working, because support gets dropped.