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Date:      Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:49:56 -0200
From:      "Nenhum_de_Nos" <matheus@eternamente.info>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Reducing the need to compile a custom kernel
Message-ID:  <57e2e07a4c574f537aab522ea9fa33aa.squirrel@eternamente.info>
In-Reply-To: <20120214113120.Horde.7fNzdpjmRSRPOjf4S1XjmXA@webmail.leidinger.net>
References:  <20120210145604.Horde.ewjpSpjmRSRPNSH0YRHxgAk@webmail.leidinger.net> <20120210144449.GA2358@psconsult.nl> <20120214113120.Horde.7fNzdpjmRSRPOjf4S1XjmXA@webmail.leidinger.net>

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On Tue, February 14, 2012 08:31, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> Quoting Paul Schenkeveld <freebsd@psconsult.nl> (from Fri, 10 Feb 2012
> 15:44:50 +0100):
>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 02:56:04PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> during some big discussions in the last monts on various lists, one of
>>> the problems was that some people would like to use freebsd-update but
>>> can't as they are using a custom kernel. With all the kernel modules
>>> we provide, the need for a custom kernel should be small, but on the
>>> other hand, we do not provide a small kernel-skeleton where you can
>>> load just the modules you need.
>>>
>>> This should be easy to change. As a first step I took the generic
>>> kernel and removed all devices which are available as modules, e.g.
>>> the USB section consists now only of the USB_DEBUG option (so that the
>>> module is build like with the current generic kernel). I also removed
>>> some storage drivers which are not available as a module. The
>>> rationale is, that I can not remove CAM from the kernel config if I
>>> let those drivers inside (if those drivers are important enough,
>>> someone will probably fix the problem and add the missing pieces to
>>> generate a module).
>>>
>>> Such a kernel would cover situations where people compile their own
>>> kernel because they want to get rid of some unused kernel code (and
>>> maybe even need the memory this frees up).
>>>
>>> The question is, is this enough? Or asked differently, why are you
>>> compiling a custom kernel in a production environment (so I rule out
>>> debug options zhich are not enabled in GENERIC)? Are there options
>>> which you add which you can not add as a module (SW_WATCHDOG comes to
>>> my mind)? If yes, which ones and how important are they for you?
>>
>>  - INET without INET6
>>  - SOFTUPDATES, UFS_ACL, AUDIT, SCTP (left out for embedded devices)
>>  - Björn may add INET6 without INET
>>  - SCHED_ULE vs. SCHED_4BSD
>>  - No vga console/atkbd/psm for embedded devices
>>  - CPU_SOEKRIS, CPU_GEODE, CPU_ELAN, NO_SWAPPING for embedded devices
>
> Embedded devices are out of the scope of this, normally you do a lot
> of other modifictions to such systems anyway, so a custom kernel
> should be not a big problem.
>
> I will also not touch the dual-stack part of the kernel config (it
> shall still allow the generic purpose computing like the GERNERIC
> config).

I'm really curious why, if they are the piece of hardware that usually are worse to compile things
on, for access issues to poor hardware (great to compile kernel+world on i7, pain to do so in my
net5501-70).

its a bummer to hear this :(

matheus

>>  - IPSTEALTH, IPSEC, IPSEC_FILTERTUNNEL, IPFILTER, ALTQ for firewalls
>
> Request noted.
>
>> I also always specify exactly one CPU type (on i386), know it made a
>> difference in the 386/486/586 era but am not sure how much difference
>> it makes nowadays.
>
> The 386 part (which we do not have anymore in GENERIC) made a
> difference, the rest doesn't hurt in the kernel.
>
> Bye,
> Alexander.
>
> --
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> 		-- paid for by your local Colombian recruiting office
>
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