From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 22:27:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2681065673 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120438FC1D for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1698855yxb.13 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:references:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:cc; bh=Ija7rDx9ZQDXFdxysBjF7kLYNma3cc46CUb5mR6SNwk=; b=Nt2wn28mt2JmYDwEXYoLpd+erCOsM51zopwJNmMZrP4kNYlCGgmiWWoejqW3hK5fc+ FyX8xnzavqbi4Zk3aQeXKDyp7T+IixoLkrHaWBm+YefsrqHHo9eoUkx3wJDNNHQtUtMw IEnj99qxbAYXKLfDnOg1hYpDkpR3SSPTjaI88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date:cc; b=nscZfA4SSF+729njJ7Y557et3zNDtjOEUbQ9pITJOLKMDKvvpJ6otjjx4wEJDqutsN xkeNZjL2lxCk3depDeuzIX4RlXPUI8IB2xxT3BvgkNaavaBct3OFcESvefvW1Rh/49gs ZjZLt4J49RXCGljgl2t/YAZEmFidnrLqawtS8= Received: by 10.101.71.10 with SMTP id y10mr4953574ank.48.1230071227788; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.88.108.157? ([32.156.135.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm9490641and.23.2008.12.23.14.27.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:27:06 -0800 (PST) References: <20081222214010.GA18389@elvis.mu.org> <20081223162336.GA77652@rink.nu> <20081223163739.GF42864@freebie.xs4all.nl> <495124E0.4090108@freebsd.org> <554D5F07-3108-45EB-AE9A-B177E79B0964@elvandar.org> <495141BA.9010208@freebsd.org> <4951462C.9080702@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: From: Garrett Cooper To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4951462C.9080702@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5F136) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:25:45 -0800 Cc: Sam Leffler , "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2 (usb4bsd) to become default in 2 weeks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:27:09 -0000 On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:12, Doug Barton wrote: > Sam Leffler wrote: >> I'll offer a different POV. I think we should switch ASAP and >> resolve >> open issues (so long as the old code is kept around for folks to fall >> back on). We cannot ship 8.0 w/ 2 stacks and delaying the inevitable >> will only leave unknown issues closer to the release date and >> potentially delay/extend the release process. > > I agree with Sam completely on this point. > > While I think that the semi-recent move to a model of -current being > "stable" (in the sense of compiles/runs almost all of the time) is a > welcome one, I think that there are times when we need to bite the > bullet and move forward. Whatever issues that remain in the new code > will not get fixed faster by delaying the switch. > > The fact that the old stack will remain as an option for those who > absolutely must have it makes this decision a no-brainer. > > Doug I agree with Sam and Doug; the better exposure this changeset can get, the better it will be for everyone in the long run. Just be sure to clearly mark known issues in UPDATING :). -Garrett