From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 18 11:33:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B28016A4E2 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from kagate.punkt.de (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A025B43D9E for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:33:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de (hugo10.ka.punkt.de [10.0.0.110]) by kagate1.punkt.de with ESMTP id k7IBX6h4012151 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:33:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7IBX5a9020903; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:33:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ry93@hugo10.ka.punkt.de) Received: (from ry93@localhost) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id k7IBX5Pq020902; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:33:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ry93) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:33:05 +0200 From: "Patrick M. Hausen" To: Martin Horcicka Message-ID: <20060818113305.GF86440@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> References: <44E51C93.5090000@umn.edu> <20060818021643.GA74158@dan.emsphone.com> <437bc1590608180151m1017a50cg31c7817d1aeb0dfe@mail.gmail.com> <20060818092255.GD55509@cdnetworks.co.kr> <437bc1590608180423n513b58c1yd978b2fcf8997ef6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <437bc1590608180423n513b58c1yd978b2fcf8997ef6@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: pyunyh@gmail.com, Dan Nelson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Alan Amesbury Subject: Re: FreeBSD boots too fast on Dell PE850 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:33:37 -0000 Hi, all! On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 01:23:15PM +0200, Martin Horcicka wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't know how it works exactly. In our case when the > autodetection is disabled and there is e.g. 100/full configured > manually on both, switch and the FreeBSD box, ifconfig shows the > interface status wery early as "active". I suspect the switch (Cisco) > to activate the port (from the point of view of the FreeBSD box) but > not to forward any "normal" frames until the Spanning Tree Protocol > procedure is finished for that port. But it's just a guess. I don't > know the negotiation protocol in Ethernet at all and I would really > welcome a commentary from someone who does. This is indeed the case. The switch port goes up. Then the port goes into either the forwarding or the blocking state. The transition period usually takes between 30 and 50 seconds, which may be to long for some devices. spanning-tree portfast puts the port into the forwarding state immediately but still participates in STP, so eventually a loop will be detected and the port put back into blocking state again. The layer 2 interface is, of course, "up" during all this mumble - otherwise the switch could not send & receive STP frames. This is what confuses hosts waiting for DHCP or similar. HTH, Patrick M. Hausen Leiter Netzwerke und Sicherheit -- punkt.de GmbH Internet - Dienstleistungen - Beratung Vorholzstr. 25 Tel. 0721 9109 -0 Fax: -100 76137 Karlsruhe http://punkt.de