From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 18:59:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C78A106564A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us) Received: from dsl254-019-221.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net (dsl254-019-221.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.19.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDA98FC19 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us) Received: (qmail 61655 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 18:32:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 3 Dec 2008 18:32:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:32:34 -0800 From: Joe Kelsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081128) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:17:43 +0000 Cc: Randy Bush , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:59:16 -0000 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:49:02 +0900 > Randy Bush wrote: > > >> what a tragic story. and zero technical info, like even what your >> controller is. best of luck in penguin land. bye! >> >> randy >> > > No, actually, I forwarded to Soren all the information I could glean > from Windows Vista, Linux and FreeBSD (which I managed to install on an > external USB drive). I also applied the patches he sent me, which > failed to cure the problem, and have been monitoring the mailing lists > and CVS repo for any signs of progress, but so far I've seen nothing. > The first step in upgrading a FreeBSD system is to NEVER purchase ANYTHING with an nVidia logo anywhere near it. nVidia purposelessly witholds programming information form free developers, so there is virtually no chance for being able to make anything with nVidia work at any time. Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almost always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, the video is crappy and buggy. Several people have mentioned reliable internet shops to order proven hardware from. Whenever you walk into a "local" computer store, you get no expertise in anything non-windoze. Go somewhere where you can use a magnifying glass to examine the chips and actually determine whether or not you are likely to suffer the nvidia disaster. Write down the motherboard information and ask on the mailing lists. I had a horrid problem with crappy SATA chips on my motherboard, and I had to buy two different SATA PCI cards before I got one that worked. Trade in the defective motherboard to get a new one that works. Think before you ever try to buy anything with nVidia logos on it, unless you are willing to run Linux crap. Good luck in the future. /Joe