From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 29 16:25:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21824 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21810 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA08454; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:54:32 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA01048; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:54:25 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981130105425.C831@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:54:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dyson@iquest.net Cc: wes@softweyr.com, tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: System V init (was: Linux to be deployed in Mexican schools; Where was FreeBSD?) References: <19981130080037.A423@freebie.lemis.com> <199811300016.TAA01844@y.dyson.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199811300016.TAA01844@y.dyson.net>; from John S. Dyson on Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 07:16:40PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 29 November 1998 at 19:16:40 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Greg Lehey said: >>> >>> Add additional packages, and see that BSD init ends up more >>> and more inadequate. >> >> I still don't see why. We have a method to run application startup >> and shutdown scripts already. Could you be more specific? > > Startup your network We do that already. > or database with init? Why not? >>>>> SysV init has an established set of standards for usage of >>>>> startup/shutdown files. It doesn't solve ALL problems, but moves >>>>> forward, other than just staying idle. >>>> >>>> Sure, but as I said, that's all a question of scripts. >>> >>> Also, it is all a question of C-code, >> >> Where? > > SYSV-like init are available . Ah, that's what you mean. My question was more ``what does it take to do this?''. >>> but a framework enables better organization. However SYSV-init is >>> implemented, vendors do use it. >> >> I suppose there's one point there. But the only difference for >> installing under FreeBSD would be the name of the startup file. > > The more your system is nonstandard, the more it will be considered > to be nonstandard. Fine, once we've defined ``standard''. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message