From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 2 23:01:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BB616A41C for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:01:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E3143D49 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:01:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout06/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j52N1ZSv022903; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (pool-68-161-53-96.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.53.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j52N1XYv010880; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20050602205619.76665.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602205619.76665.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <363CBD31-8CA6-41F7-99D2-E11BC5D84FC2@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:01:31 -0400 To: yuval levy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Subject: Re: filesystems not properly unmounted X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:01:35 -0000 On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:56 PM, yuval levy wrote: >> If it's a pain to remeber, maybe try sticking >> something in rc.shutdown? > > Thank you for trying to help, but I do not find this > reply helpful. That's a quick and dirty fix, not a > solution. [ ...car analogy snipped... ] > Quick and dirty fixes are ok for the short term, but > this issue has been around for too long. I wish I had > the knowledge to fix it... There's a discussion on -current called "Re: [RFC] [PATCH] VM & VFS changes" which may help resolve the issue of unmounting and flushing the tree of filesystems more cleanly, which you should look into and be willing to test as code comes out. -- -Chuck PS: I understand that you'd rather the underlying problem be fixed, but it's a lot easier to wish for things to happen than it is to code them. That's why hard problems tend to stay unfixed for long periods of time, and why people learn to use workarounds when they are offered. It would be more helpful if you either learned to fix the stuff you choose to complain about, or would at least gracefully accept workarounds which help, even if they may be "quick and dirty fixes"...